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Topic: The Wall Street Journal on McCain

John McCain has made it clear this week he doesn't understand what's happening on Wall Street any better than Barack Obama does. But on Thursday, he took his populist riffing up a notch and found his scapegoat for financial panic -- Christopher Cox, the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.


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Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, Christopher Cox.
To give readers a flavor of Mr. McCain untethered, we'll quote at length: "Mismanagement and greed became the operating standard while regulators were asleep at the switch. The primary regulator of Wall Street, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) kept in place trading rules that let speculators and hedge funds turn our markets into a casino. They allowed naked short selling -- which simply means that you can sell stock without ever owning it. They eliminated last year the uptick rule that has protected investors for 70 years. Speculators pounded the shares of even good companies into the ground.

"The chairman of the SEC serves at the appointment of the President and has betrayed the public's trust. If I were President today, I would fire him."

Wow. "Betrayed the public's trust." Was Mr. Cox dishonest? No. He merely changed some minor rules, and didn't change others, on short-selling. String him up! Mr. McCain clearly wants to distance himself from the Bush Administration. But this assault on Mr. Cox is both false and deeply unfair. It's also un-Presidential.

Take "naked" shorting, in which an investor sells a stock short -- betting that it will fall in price -- without first borrowing the shares he is selling from an investor who owns them. The SEC has never condoned the practice, and since 2005 it has clamped down on short selling in any stock that shows evidence of naked shorting. The SEC further tightened its rules against naked shorting just hours before Mr. McCain excoriated Mr. Cox for doing nothing.

The rules announced Wednesday will increase penalties and close loopholes that exempted broker-dealers from the rules against naked shorting. They also make it clear that deliberately selling short a stock whose shares cannot be borrowed is fraud under the Securities Exchange Act. That's all to the good, we suppose; fraud is fraud. But regular short selling is not fraud. It adds valuable information to the market about what investors believe to be the price direction of a stock. Demonizing short-sellers as a band of criminals, or barring short-selling outright in financial stocks, as regulators in the U.K. did Thursday, removes information from the market.

Then there's Mr. McCain's tirade against the "uptick rule," a Depression-era chestnut that investors could only short stock after a rise in that stock's price. The SEC staff studied the effect of the uptick rule on prices for years, in a controlled experiment involving thousands of stocks. It found the rule had no effect. Other studies, including those that examined the uptick rule's effect on stocks disclosing bad news, also found that it "protected" no one. The SEC's permanent staff has long supported repeal and the SEC's commissioners voted to do so unanimously in June 2007.

While he was at it, Mr. McCain added the wholly unsupported assertion that "speculators pounded the shares of even good companies into the ground." It wasn't very long ago that he blamed speculators on the long side for sky-high oil prices. Then oil prices fell. Now Mr. McCain wants voters to believe speculators are responsible for driving mismanaged financial companies to ruin. The irony is that this critique puts Mr. McCain in the same camp as some of the Wall Street CEOs who have led their firms so poorly. They also want someone (else) to blame.

In case Mr. McCain is interested, overall short interest in financial companies actually declined by 20% between July and the end of August. That's right: Far from driving this crisis, shorts were net buyers of financial stocks this summer, as they must buy stocks back to close their positions and realize their gains (or losses).

In a crisis, voters want steady, calm leadership, not easy, misleading answers that will do nothing to help. Mr. McCain is sounding like a candidate searching for a political foil rather than a genuine solution. He'll never beat Mr. Obama by running as an angry populist like Al Gore, circa 2000.


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McCain knows nothin' about th' economy.


Sadly, neither does Obama.


Tragically, neither does our current federal reserve chairman or treasury secretary, Dance the Hempen Jig

It is not th' Federal government's job t' avoid recession.


It is th' Federal government's job t' limit federal expenditures t' match federal income, keep interest rates an' dubloons supply fluid, with th' goal o' maintainin' a stable currency, ya bilge rat!  And swab the deck!   "Control th' coinage an' th' courts, let th' rabble have th' rest."

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Take "naked" shortin', in which an investor sells a stock short -- bettin' that it will fall in price -- without first borrowin' th' shares he is sellin' from an investor who owns them, on a dead man's chest!  The SEC has no nay ne'er condoned th' practice, an' since 2005 it has clamped down on short sellin' in any stock that shows evidence o' naked shortin'.  The SEC further tightened its rules against naked shortin' just hours before Mr.  Ahoy, Get out of me rum! McCain excoriated Mr.  Fire the cannons!  Cox fer doin' nothin'.

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I ha'nae had a problem shortin' - i'm 23 - so i suppose no one else has either tongue

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"McCain knows nothin' about th' economy.

Sadly, neither does Obama."


and that is why, you judge them on their handling of this situation, and see which one is atleast trying to understand the situation...
McCain came out, saying those slimy greedy bastards, fire em all tongue and tried to use it for politics by distancing himself from bush -- atleast that's what i got from it

Obama came out, sat down with various different people who actually know and understand the economy like it's their back hand, i understand warren buffet was part of the meeting aswell, he then came out in a press conference saying, he would not officially release his economic plan as he wants to give Bush's plan a chance, and appreciates their quick handling of this crisis and doing something atleast(BTW i wanna point out here, his plan is available despite what McCain is saying, he just hasn't officially launched it -sorta-)

now that is presidential... big_smile

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What, President Obama will say nothing and ask George Bush to name some experts tongue

How about we do nothing and let the monied interests risk their money making money?? Or is that too capitalist for an economic plan???

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well, here's the thing and here's the point

Obama handled this WAY WAY WAY better than McCain..a testiment for his personality and what a obama presidency would be like..

i told ya'll obama will get his ground back, and he HAS!
Palin/McCain are DONE!

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mccain reminds me of henry viii
"this isnt going right, piss off and die"

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>>Obama handled this WAY WAY WAY better than McCain..a testiment for his personality and what a obama presidency would be like..<<

He did nothing

He said he has a great and expert idea he's gonna sit on

He's going to wait and see what happens

That's leadership???

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lol he did everything he needed to

and you got everything wrong there..

he has already said his ideas, go on youtube, they have a 5 minute video on all his economic plans, the detailed plan, is open for everyone to read, i'm guessing it's on his site, i havent personally taken a look, but it has been released, he just hasn't come out and launched it officially himself...

He's going to give bush a chance, his exact words were something close to:
i will give bush's economic plan a chance, i have not recieved enough details to the plan to make a judgement of it, I appreciate the governments quick response to this crisis,

and this after, McCain tried to distance himself from bush... (McCain is distancing himself, obama comes out and BAM -- uppercut-- talks good about their quick RESPONSE, talks good about their handling of the crisis)

and leadership -- admitting your flaws and bettering them, instead of talking about something you have no clue about which shows
McCain: "agggghh lipstick..lipstick ..lipstick --- those sleeezy greassy gready bastUUURDdddsss, fire em, fire em, fire em all, fire those republiancs that share the same values as me, fire bush, fire every CEO -- F em-- F em, fireeee"

Obama: meets a line of people including warren buffet to get a detailed understanding of the economy and the possible solutions in line with obama's fundamental(i mean the dictionary meaning not mccains meaning) views and beliefs of the economy
comes out and instead of launching his plan officially, says i will give bush a chance, it might work, i appreciate their response, blah blah blah,

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Henry VIII made it work out for him, though

I always laugh when I think how Norfolk did for Thomas Cromwell big_smile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_cromwell

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Obama has NO ideas regarding the bailouts, his secret plan is foofara

-I- have given more details regarding the bailouts than Obama, and more correct too!

ME 2008!

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and you make the correction judgement from a plan of his..you get from where?
according to you, you haven't seen any

for which i have to say you're not looking for it big_smile

and even if no, then he's getting advice and learning from people who GET the economy..

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Glad, I've been to his website, it doesn't refer to what Bush did this week and what Bush announced this morning!  Regarding that O says "mmm mmm mmm, lala la, I got a plan, you don't know it, hmm hmm hmm"

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http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandascott/gGgmlK
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/economyvideo
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/economyplan


this is not what i was talking about, but it's the basic BASIC plan...
CNN's internet reporter/their ad bashing segment said this:
after telling the turht about McCain and Obama ads
they started talking about an ad or a statement from McCain saying that obama again didn't launch his plan, so there wasn't one
but the reporter continued saying, this is false, although he didn't officially launch it.. the plan is open for everyone to see
and then they showed this .pdf file  tongue it was quite lengthy..

i'll keep my eyes open for it on CNN if i watch it again today..

and yell, answer something for me and answer it based completely on politics and the race, that seems to be McCain's big suit right now..
who handled this crisis better? Obama or McCain?

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Where's the bailout plan?

Obama responded just as if he had no fricking clue what was going on, he said nothing and made no comittments.
McCain pandered to votes.
Bush and Bernake and Paulson tried to keep us from suffering any kind of slump which is not their job.

they all get an F

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it is available, apparently even Fox acknowledged that -- i'll try to find out where it is, and i'll show u it smile

yes because you take things calmly, and cautiously that's smart for his campaign aswell as if he was the president

what would have McCain done? Fire just about everyone tongue

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Funny how his cunning refusal to say anything but "protect main street as well as wall street" is EXACTLY what he'd do if he were an idiot.

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Funny, how the candidates you support, McCain and Palin, said EXACTLY what you mentioned above.."protect main street as well as wall street"
AFTER Obama said it..

now tell me, let's say they're both idiots, who's the bigger idiot? the idot who said it? or the idiot who followed the idiot?

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> Gladiator wrote:

> Funny, how the candidates you support, McCain and Palin, said EXACTLY what you mentioned above.."protect main street as well as wall street"
AFTER Obama said it..

now tell me, let's say they're both idiots, who's the bigger idiot? the idot who said it? or the idiot who followed the idiot?

yep, whenever they both say something similar, whoever was the 2nd to say it must of been copying what the other one said.

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Get a wheelbarrow because in our lifetime you are gonna need a wheelbarrow to hold the currency needed to buy a loaf of bread. Its happened before elsewhere and it will happen here because federal idiots think printing money makes people spend with confidence.

I forsee my own death

I am gonna be lynched by morons for yelling "I told you so!" in a Hooverville soupline.

A worthy death!

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no avo

McCain had thought, of the change/reform theme all along, he just didn't wanna say it before he found out it worked

McCain has been copying obama from day 1

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yeah, i mean McCain has never been about Change before Obama was....

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His campaign didn't preach "change" until after Obama secured the democratic nomination over Hillary.

Sex without the e is still SX!

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and they went out of their way, to get someone from all the way up in alaska, whom no one knew, so that they could portray her as change, when really, she's nothing but the same, actually worse since they lied about her, and she lied about herself as well...

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Biden seems a close copy of McCain.  Old, rich, mumbly Senator. Oh I forgot, hes the attack dog of this campaign of change?

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.