Topic: The Political Structure of Heaven

Simple question: What is the political structure of heaven?

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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It's a Bakunist-Anarchy.
That means that there's no need for a governmental body or external regulation. People do things from a strong sense of moral obligation, and this is nothing like chaos and all that...

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

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you can piss on god and he wont mind it big_smile

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If you're asking about the Judeo-Christian concept of heaven then it's absolute dictatorship.

That's why those who wish for this to be true are really wishing servitude not only for themselves but all others as well.

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sorry beeblebrix, but lucifer's mythology is a clear signal that all needs are NOT filled in judeo-christian heaven

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Errr...don't you mean Christian philosophy smile

The Torah says virtually nothing about heaven. Judaism has no clear idea of what happens after death.

To serve is to survive

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oh fooey if we are lumping it all together what difference does it make anyways smile

do Jews even use the term heaven?

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It makes a difference because traditional Jewish beliefs are nothing like Christian beliefs.

To serve is to survive

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Heaven is governed by the Tribunal of God, Jesus, and Chuck Norris

All decisions must be made through total consensus though Chuck has the ability to veto via a roundhouse kick.

On a more serious note any political structure would be a simple dictatorship, Do what God says or else.

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No, everyone would not feel the need to do anything else. They'd feel morally obliged to do the right thing and help eachother. Thus: bakunist dictatorship!

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

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Dictatorship... it's like Hitler and a disillusioned Germany up there, I'll bet.

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So far I'm thinking Heaven is not... Heaven.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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"Go ahead and describe for me exactly what a government would do in Heaven (both forms of heaven if there's any difference)."

Organize activities.  Shuffleboard at 11:00 Lunch at 12:00, ETC.

I disagree though that there'd be no political structure in Heaven.  Whenever a system of control exists there will be politics.  Now in the case of Heaven, as most people envision it, the control is fairly light as anyone who is in Heaven is free from sin and would have no desire to do anything but good.  That's all great until you realize it's starting to sound a lot like Brave New World, but ignoring that it means there is no need for the police and military force we commonly associate with a dictatorship.  Despite this Heaven would still be a dictatorship since God's word is law.

Now if you argue that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are distinct beings and have authority in Heaven it is still a dictatorship but ruled over by a tribunal rather than an individual.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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If heaven were a dictatorship, it would be free from all the negative aspects of a dictatorship here on Earth. This is because the occupants of heaven would:
1.) Respect God and Jesus as dictators and have complete trust in their judgement
2.) Understand that the systems and laws dictated unto them would be morally perfect
3.) Realise that the reason they are in heaven in the first place is because they chose of their own free will to follow God's system of law on Earth, so why should they have a problem continuing that behaviour in an environment where God is tangible?

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Begins obviously, God the Father, and creator of all, at the top. As a Catholic, that to me is the trinity. Ie, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The Three in One.

If I recall there is a structure to the angles, called Choirs.

The Nine Choirs of Angels
Seraphim
Cherubim
Thrones
Dominions
Virtues
Powers
Principalities
Archangels
Angels (Regular)


These choirs are revealed throughout the scriptures of the Bibles..

Seraphim
These are the highest order or choir of angels. They are the angels who are attendants or guardians before God's throne. They praise God, calling, "Holy Holy Holy is the Lord of Hosts". the only Bible reference is Isaiah 6:1-7. One of them touched Isaiah's lips with a live coal from the altar, cleansing him from sin. Seraphim have six wings, two cover their faces, two cover their feet, and two are for flying.

Cherubim
Cherubim rank after the seraphim and are the second highest in the nine hierarchies or choirs of angels. The Old Testament does not reveal any evidence that the Jews considered them as intercessors or helpers of God. They were closely linked in God's glory. They are manlike in appearance and double-winged and were guardians of God's glory. They symbolized then, God's power and mobility. In the New Testament, they are alluded to as celestial attendants in the Apocalypse (Rv 4-6). Catholic tradition describes them as angels who have an intimate knowledge of God and continually praise Him.

Thrones
Thrones are the Angels of pure Humility, Peace and Submisssion. They reside in the area of the cosmos where material form begins to take shape. The lower Choir of Angels need the Thrones to access God.

Dominions
Dominions are Angels of Leadership. They regulate the duties of the angels, making known the commands of God.

Virtues
Virtues are known as the Spirits of Motion and control the elements. They are sometimes referred to as "the shining ones." They govern all nature. They have control over seasons, stars, moon; even the sun is subject to their command. They are also in charge of miracles and provide courage, grace, and valor.


Powers
Powers are Warrior Angels against evil defending the cosmos and humans. They are known as potentates. They fight against evil spirits who attempt to wreak chaos through human beings. The chief is said to be either Samael or Camael, both angels of darkness.


Archangels
Archangels are generally taken to mean "chief or leading angel" ( Jude 9; 1 Thes 4:16), they are the most frequently mentioned throughout the Bible. They may be of this or other hierarchies as St. Michael Archangel, who is a princely Seraph. The Archangels have a unique role as God's messenger to the people at critical times in history and salvation (Tb 12:6, 15; Jn 5:4; Rv 12:7-9) as in The Annunciation and Apocalypse. A feast day celebrating the Archangels Michael, Gabriel and Raphael is celebrated throughout the Church Sep 29. A special part of the Byzantine Liturgy invokes the "Cherubic Hymn" which celebrates these archangels and the guardian angels particularly. Of special significance is St. Michael as he has been invoked as patron and protector by the Church from the time of the Apostles. The Eastern Rite and many others place him over all the angels, as Prince of the Seraphim. He is described as the "chief of princes" and as the leader of the forces of heaven in their triumph over Satan and his followers. The angel Gabriel first appeared in the Old Testament in the prophesies of Daniel, he announced the prophecy of 70 weeks (Dn 9:21-27). He appeared to Zechariah to announce the birth of St. John the Baptist (Lk 1:11). It was also Gabriel which proclaimed the Annunciation of Mary to be the mother of our Lord and Saviour. (Lk 1:26) The angel Raphael first appeared in the book of Tobit (Tobias)Tb 3:25, 5:5-28, 6-12). He announces "I am the Angel Raphael, one of the seven who stand before the throne of God." (Tb 12:15)


Principalities
In the New Testament Principalities refers to one type of spiritual (metaphysical) being which are now quite hostile to God and human beings. (Rom 8:38; 1 Cor 15:24; Eph 1:21; 3:10; 6:12; Col 1:16; 2:10, 15) Along with the principalities are the powers (Rom 8:38; 1 Cor 15:24; Eph 1:21; 1 Pt 3:22; 2 Thes 1:7); and cosmological powers (1 Cor 15:24; Eph 1:21; 3:10; Col 2:15);Dominions (Eph 1:21; Col 1:16) and thrones (Col1:16). The clarity of the New Testament witness helps see that these beings were created through Christ and for Him (Col 1:16). Given their hostility to God and humans due to sin, Christ's ultimate rule over them (ibid) expresses the reign of the Lord over all in the cosmos. This is the Lordship of Christ, which reveals God's tremendous salvation in conquering sin and death at the cross, and now takes place in the Church. (Eph 3:10)


Angels
These angels are closest to the material world and human begins. They deliver the prayers to God and God's answers and other messages to humans. Angels have the capacity to access any and all other Angels at any time. They are the most caring and socius to assist those who ask for help.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.