Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

Then quit demanding of Black Wing.


Kettle Calling Pot, you know the line... [Flame]

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

[Flame]

i don't think [BW] would want you to talk for him, even with him being so humble and unbiased and all big_smile

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

No [flame], for trying to make others do what you say without walking the talk you talk.


Substance will be more effective than yelling arguments then requiring responses yet ignoring stuff which will make you [plotz] for realizing you had backed the messed up candidate.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

please, don't even think of touching me tongue
i wasn't talkin to you einstein, so don't bud in, me and BW were having a CIVILIZED tongue wink argument, dont [flame and stupid masking]

yes, let's talk substance, instead of saying, "oh golly gosh, i'm just your average hockey mom, who wants to kick some I-Raq asshh, with my NEW-CLEAR bombs, elect me, i'll make sure everyone hears the difference between a pitbull and a hockey mom, har har har, lipsh shtick, har har har"

yes cuz i'm so ready to jump the gun on suicide, i'm happy with my life einstein, and my candidate, cuz i don't have to defend something i don't believe in, where as you gotta defend McSame and Pitlie there

80 (edited by Black_Wing 15-Sep-2008 01:31:17)

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

Defense spending as a Percentage of GDP is down from cold war era levels.
This INCLUDES the war on Terror.

Saving 460Billion from Iraq ??  Where did this number come from ?

Even so, are you disbanding the entire Iraq force, and getting rid of the equipment as well ?
I would like to know how 460 Billion now gets used as GIFT for Obama's administration to SPEND ?

Taxing Corporations ?   That is a tax on you and me.  Take away from the Economy, and you shrink the Economy.  Corporations dont pull the money off of a tree, they raise prices or cut expenses.  That means less money in the Economy, so the Govt. can take it.
* * DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ??  Really, because if you dont, ask me to explain further.  YOU HURT the economy when you raise taxes.
Saying it is ONLY ON CORPORATIONS, is a veil.  It assumes you who embrace it are to stupid to realize this.  Dont fall into the trap. 
Increase price means less demand.  Less Demand means less sales, and so on.
YOU AND I Pay for a Corp tax increase......just like you and I Realize lower price/expanded economic activity when you lower taxes.
This is what I mean about no economic knowledge, but plenty of sex education.


What Relief for the middle class ??   You all want to end the "Bush Tax Cuts."  that was a cut for all that pay taxes. 
What differes between you and I is, I dont look at a persons pay check, and decide if that person does or does not deserve a tax cut.
I dont worry about what other people do, or dont do, unless they are harming society/breaking the law.

"Out Sourcing" is a myth like "global Warming"  People do business overseas when its cheaper to do business their.
What about the Milk delivery man, the street sweepers, the stablemen,  Farmers, Cobblestone makers, Grave diggers, Candle stick makers......
what about all those jobs that have left our society ?

Again, goes to a lack of basic economic knowledge that ALL in our society are severely lacking.

Again, plenty of knowledge about MTV, Abortion rights, Sex Education, and complaining about why the Govt. should take care of you......nothing about simple business knowledge.

You speak about OVERSPENDING ??  ROFL.  Oh, like OBAMA's Plan doesnt spend.
Yea..... Us Conservatives have NOT been happy w/Bush's or the Republican Controlled Congress and their run away spending.

I BELIEVE the republican Congress DESERVED to be booted out of the majority the way they were spending like Liberals.

McCAIN will create problems ??  Like what problems will he create ?

OBAMA is looking to CRIPPLE the US Economy by socializing it.
It will Europeanize our Economy to Stagnation.   Just like all the major powers of Europe have crippled their Economies.

As Europe tries to lessen their socialization..... Obama/and the Demo party wants to increase ours.


Guess what.  We are NOT Europe.  That is why McCain will be our next President.

I have seen many Presidential Elections.....and at this point, the Democrats have lost.
Unless the Republicans do something very stupid from not until Election day.

Doing something stupid I would say is reserved for BIDEN.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

ok now this is the thing, our opinions are different, you think it won't work, i think it will work
just because you don't agree with his solutions doesn't mean he doesn't present them tongue
sure, you're free to diss-agree, it's your opinion that is why you probably won't vote with him
you have no right to say, people who are voting for obama don't get the problem, you can say that you think they have the wrong solution, but it's just close minded of you to say, people don't get the economy in america, people see it with different views, some see it, like you see it, some see it like obama see it
personally, i don't agree with Obama 100% of the time on the economy, but McCain is just stupid on the economy tongue, he's flip flopped on alm-ost everything, and admits he doesn't get the economy, and i don't agree with him on more economy related issues than i do with Obama

anyways
how stupid of you to suggest global warming and outsourcing are myhts?
do you live in a cave or are you that tuned into your life, that you don't see what's going on around you?
global warming is a PROOVEN fact
and tell the people whoose factories have been closed and relocated in china, with cheaper workers that outsourcing is a myth

[Try posting one time without using one of Carlin's 7 words]

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

We're heading for a cooling spell, gore's hyperbole about 25 or 50 years of steady warming has been exploded

The "proof" was a supposed correlation between higher global temperatures and rising pollution. As pollution continues to increase but there ceases to be a GLOBAL climate trend, there is NOTHING to link pollution to climate.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

I dont believe in them from a business or philosophical point of view.

Not only does Govt. have no business is taking over freedoms that I wish not to have taken.....
Its impossible to pay for all of these "Programs" of  Marxist wealth redistribution.

Because its the economy, and business ....then ultimately, the working stiffs that suffer.
Then, the solution is the Socialists take away more freedoms.

When does it end ?
Kennedy and Johnson had it all figured out in the 60's.

The Great society, and taking over the cities......sure it has worked. 
The Democrat party has become the modern day Socialist party, and they have bread a culture of dumbed down, needy individuals.
Those that have no idea how to pick themselves up and dust themselves off.  They whine to the Govt. and cry for more.

And the Democrat Party delivers them OBAMA.
and a new Generation of Socialists indoctrinated in our Socialist breeding/training grounds....the US Education system.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

Gladiator.

How Dare I say you have no clue about Economics ??   Its perfectly clear to me, when you support Tax increases....saying its only on Corporations.
Its Perfectly clear to me, when you fall into this [whimsy] about  "Out Sourcing."  Like Foreign companies dont hire Americans when they do business in America.

Sorry.  Americans want to much money to sew shirts, and stamp pots.  We let Chinese worker bees and S. Americans do that for us now.
Companies work on efficiency and making money.    If its cheaper to make it overseas and sell it here.....who are YOU to tell them differently ??  Who is OBAMA ??  What will he do, FORCE companies to make jobs ??  Because he ORDERS Them to do so ??

Please.  You explain this to me.  I did.

Global Warming is NOT a fact.  Its a contested THEORY....that has no substantiated PROOF.
Just like the coming ICE AGE of the 80's.  Was a myth.

Funny, Close the smoke stacks, to save the Globe.  But make sure everyone has a job.  .....  doing what might I ask ??

I got an Idea Gladiator.
YOU make a company, and hire displaced workers.......  OBAMA orders you to do so.
While your at it, you MUST give them all health care, provided by OBAMA, and he is going to tax your production.
THEN......after you have made a Profit.   
OBAMA will tax your WINDFALL PROFITS, too.  Because, after all, you are greedy, and he knows better what to do with your money.

Oh, if your company doesnt work, and you have to close your doors.......To Bad.  As the owner, you are on your own......
he will take care of your employees though.....

He has a "RETRAINING" Plan, that will "MAKE" jobs.   They only job a Govt. makes, is some bloated new part of the bloated Bureaucracy that the NEW "WINDFALL PROFIT" tax, or Corporate Tax can provide for.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

lol, you're one hate filled bastard tongue wink

JOKE tongue

anyways, again your opinion, i can't tell you to go find a better one wink
and you still haven't replied to my other post,
http://www.imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=28198&p=15

just scroll up, and the first fairly long post from me, will be the one you still gotta respond to yikes

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

Its not my Opinion.  Its Economic Fact.

Its not hateful either, its life.  How is it hate ??  YOU believe the Govt. must run your life ?  Provide for you ?  take care of you ??
Think about dude.  Think about it.

Why bother educating yourself, if you going to let the Leftist Elite fill you head with Mush.   Does it all really make sense ??

As the price of oil goes up, its the Greedy Oil drillers, or the Greedy speculators.  Its always about someone else trying to screw over the people.....YET....the only ones screwing the people over, are the leaders of the socialist movement.

Ask any Eastern Europeans that lived under Socialism how they liked having the govt. run their life.
Ask any non-party Russian, how they liked the USSR ?   All you do is ruin the economic viability of your society.

Why is this......its simple.  Its So simple and logical.
Because you have a GOVT. appointed weenie, appointed by another Govt. elected weenie that will run areas of the economy that they have no business touching.

Like MANDATING 10% ethanol into Gasoline.
Like placing LUXURY Taxes on Yahts.

Two simple Dumb ass moves, that are simple to see how they destroy a sector of the economy.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

btw the hate thing was a joke tongue

and as far as government controlling lives, it's not controlling lives, it's simply assissting, you see it as them invading your private life i guess, and that's why you're conservative and i'm liberal
it's simply your view of life, and i would never accept all the conservtive values, although i agree with some of them
i agree more with what liberals think, that's why they are my party
THEY ARE OPINIONS

also wouldn't eliminating the choice of abortion be invading people's space, and invading their lives
where they could've got pregnant due to a rape, and can not support the baby, and do not wish to have a baby
injecting religous beliefs into politics and enforicing those religious beliefs onto other people who might have a different religion is also controlling their lives..is it not?

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

I dont think Abortion should be a Presidential issue.  Its only so, becasue of the Justices to the supreme court.
If Conservatives are on the court, eventially Roe gets overturned, and the issue goes back to the states......as it should have been except for a radical supreme court that legislated abortion into American law.

Abortion or life is a personal and local political issue.....not a federal issue.

Its not about Religion either.   When you have children, maybe you will understand...and I mean that literally, its not an attack.
I have a daughter.  I have a teen age daughter.  Its a very PERSONAL and FAMILY Issue.  Not a federal one.   I would hate to have my daughter kill my Grand Child for Convenience.  Thats a shame.

Killing a Human life, because its inconvinient to raise a child now, because of animalistic(sexual desire) and unresponsible (no contraception) behavior......its just wrong.

As to Rapes and incest,....that is another issue totally separate...and again its a personal and Family issue.
Who are we to judge a persons view on such a personal issue ?

I find the issue low on my list of importance.

What I find HIGH on my list is Govt. taking away my freedoms......mandating to me what I should or should not do.
THAT is what I find important.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

"Who are we to judge a persons view on such a personal issue ?"

EXACTLY, EXACTLY, EXACTLY, EXACTLY, i'm GLAD we agree on this
I RESPECT your opinion that abortion isn't right for your lifestyle, your family, i respect it,
i applaud you, i'm not against pro life people, i'm against taking away the choice, something that Palin is a HARDCORE believer in
she brags it too
now the thing is, the issue is not that important to me either, what concerns me is her judgement on it, and how she could in her right mind, give her daughter the choice, ask people to keep it personal but then turn back and say elect me so i can take away your personal choice
it's not the issue, it's the judgement --and that's a big thing atleast for me in this election
judgement - something i believe obama has, and he has prooved it
but again that is just my opinion

Re: OBAMA, "When you put Lipstick on a Pig, its still a pig."

Its a little late in the day, after arguing little old ladies must not advertise "room for rent to a good Christian"; and saying its illegal to refuse to hire a militant Black Muslim at a firm with ten other employees, all white, because they wouldn't get along with an angry black man; and saying its unAmerican, malicious and illegal for a dairy farmer to sell his milk below the govt rate to his neighbors for whatever cash suits him---but that a woman can buy the services of a surgeon however she likes, because the only possible objections are "religious!".  It's a transaction like any other, and there's 100 years of law saying the government can tell people how and when and whether they can do a transaction.

And to argue there's all kind of gray areas is just to argue for the arbitrary power of the establishment, which is where the New Left has become stuck for twenty years since Reagan and Newt destroyed the NeoKeynesian justification for govt controls.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.