Topic: 60 days to go... On the road and TV speeches

Since the turn of the conventions, I propose a new thread to follow the 2 months before the US election.

So we can discuss what's happening with both tickets on the road during that period. And on TV, like the O'Reilly thing, etc.
Of course big stuff like debates will have their own thread I guess (hope).

So... post your thoughts on the evolution of the battlefield, the issues and the daily speeches smile

I'll start with a long post to summarize my opinion, but I'll calm down after that tongue

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Here's a small list of things going on, and how they can evolve/influence the outcome.
I clearly state that this mostly is about the "non-issues" that will in the end win the undecided, which I think is what both campaigns are after now that both bases are strong.

And of course, it's just MY opinion...
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And sorry to spam but I'd like to hear people's view on the O'Reilly show with Obama, first 2 have been aired by can be found online:

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/

...the others are broadcasted today and tomorrow.

Was it suicide? Was he good? What's the point? What do people take out, you think?

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umm i think Obama's press-conference today, i saw a bit of it, was really well done
he had that serious look on his face, tongue
and Bush's plan to send the troops which were originaly going to go to Iraq to Afghanistan
and call back around 8,000 troops from Iraq

is going to, and is helping Obama A LOT -- and they will capitalize on it all over the next few days

a few other news that help Obama a lot:
Fannie, and fredie take over
budget deficiet is now over 407 billion dollars,
6.1% unemployment rate
and a couple of other economic related news

my view: McCain camp are guna continue to play their hype, this in my opinion is only doing nothing more than exciting republicans who would've voted for the two anyways
all this while Obama is looking presidential, and can hammer away at McCain easily and the news coming out are helping him A LOT
now the big question from me is, when Palin's hype runs out, which shouldn't be too far from now --what approach will the McCain camp take

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Obama Strengths:

Some Democrats are afraid of McCain's promises to reform the US.
Some Democrats only toe the party line
Most Democrats vote on emotions
Most Democrats really have not let in the Walmart generic medicine pricing since they always get the expensive newer meds, therefore they do not see a reduction in costs due to capitalism but instead see a fictional drop due to socialism.
Most Democrats seem to not care if the other 90% of the United States suffers so long as they perceive their 10% rising
He is a smooth talker
Media wants a Democrat at all costs, regardless of circumstances.
He is not challenged on his past except for part of that 30 minutes with O'Reilly
He's black

McCains strong points:

Palin brough conservatives out of the wood shed
He does cross party lines, and has done so more than anyone else in the Senate or House.
He is a reformer
Palin is a reformer
It's hard to challenge him except if he is not conservative or if he is to old...
It's hard to challenge Palin at all without slapping Obama back in his face.
McCains age actually gets a lot more of the elderly to look at him
His adopted child
His candidates newborn child

Obama's Weaknesses

His future budget will make any previous one look pathetic and weak if he has his way, the numbers would give all elderly heart attacks if they truly realized it.
His past has so many issues with it.
His wife
His vice presidents remarks about him in primary
His inability to call Iraq surge a success.
His prior connections to multiple terrorists and terrorist orgs
His willingness to negotiate with terrorist nations and orgs.
His State Senator position  voting history
His US Senate position voting history
His difficulty when off of teleprompters


McCains weaknesses

Media attempts to tie him with Bush who he has had many a serious falling out with
His age
He pisses conservatives off semi-frequently
His global warming stance
His immigration adviser
His health
Media hates the word "Republican" enough to try it's hardest to ruin any associated with it, he would have been more successful as a Democrat.
Race "conformity" will keep blacks from even considering to look at him
His vice's child forthcoming child
George Soro's cannot control him, so will burn his name whenever he can



Obama needs to (besides quit this race, that's my opinion)

Place a gag on his wife until elected
Get his old pastor assassinated so he can look remorseful over his grave for not having saved the guy from his horrific rhetoric
Dump Biden claiming he missed some vetting and found some issues, then get Hillary as his VP, then quadruple his security.
Have Russia remove troops from Georgia. after a talk with Obama and their president... and them claiming it was that talk which made them leave... they re-invade after he is elected of course.
Avoid any talks with real people as much as he can
Avoid debates with McCain, or if forced to he can stretch his answers out to a fare-thee-well without really answering the questions



McCain needs to:

Make a series of commercials challenging Obama on issues, with a quick and easy question as the entire subject. Obama will spend tens of millions per counter commercial trying to answer them in ways that take 10 times the length and do not really answer the question except vaguely
Challenge Obama every night and day to engage in the town hall meetings
Send Palin after the bad media to make them all cry at night in fear of being targeted next by her.
Parade his very nice looking wife around more often
Offer to triple the number of legal visa's and green cards and make getting them easier for "North and South Americans"
Hire a Viral Campaign group to make some effective Viral Campaigns
Say he will put Perot in the Treasury
Say he will put Rudy Giuliani in charge of State
Say he will put Ralph Nader in the position of Office of Management and Budget Director
Say he will put Gen. David Petraeus as Sec Defense
Say he will put a famous talk show host (pick any conservative one) as Press Secretary



What I see happening:

Obama lets loose a hundred and one bloggers, lawyers, and news 'creators' to attack Palin and keep up the false stories to deflect from her true mission, gather voters. While outrage will build it will gain her less voters than letting her run amuck around the nation destroying his campaign.

He will also attend several funerals of people about McCains age in the coming days, noting with sorrow that our health care is not yet up to par with saving their lives. This subliminal message will be played with others hyping McCains age more and more.

Biden will be the nasty attack dog of Obama, with outrageous statements that can barely be tolerated being said, as a dog off the leash would likely seem like if it did not go past 2 inches deep in it's bites.

Obama's fund raising will peter out a little, excused by "we pretty much got all the cash that can be sent to us, and we do not really need more for this anyhow, we were shifting to fighting and not asking for funds anyhow" when in truth it will fall due to his getting so much so early in his campaign has stressed most people's pockets and buyers remorse is somewhat there.


McCain will play a leopard cannot change it's dots theme on Obama, showing his history, showing how he has not answered for his history.

McCain will also release some new law he has written as a Senator, probably co-written with Lieberman, which is going to be a kick arse to the public type law, which he says he would love to sign in as law as President... but one which makes Obama look the fool, or steals Obama's thunder pretty seriously. (even though this would undercut McCain, people would want him to keep writing laws as a Senator then)

Palin will continue to counter attacks upon her and throwing the same allegations onto Obama, or successfully trumping them. When someone gets a shot of her panties and makes a MILF movie out of it she will be on the warpath for women's rights against such predators... giving her a major edge later towards the election.


All in all I see McCain winning, perhaps by as big a landslide as Reagan won in 84 (my grandparents were part of Mondale's Electoral votes in Oregon btw, very disappointing for them tongue)


btw some of this in humor, some in seriousness tongue

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Einstein, i don't know if i should be sad that the claimed humor was not funny
or that there was some seriousness to that tongue

that's a COMPLETE COMPLETE bias toward Obama, atleast i only said what i thought i could say fairly and with a unbiased view

Golk so far has done a great job of being unbiased -- if you're guna do an analysis of both sides Einstein, you could really learn A LOT from him

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What I see happening was all seriousness

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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8 (edited by Little Paul 10-Sep-2008 00:15:14)

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I red it all and must say: "good thinking golk." So here I go:
*LP speaks quitly*
"hey, good thinking golk"

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lol thanks Little Paul, feels good not having only the fanboys in here... smile

Did you watch O'Reilly by any chance? Any objective people in here having an opinion on those interviews?

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Obama needs to (besides quit this race, that's my opinion)

Place a gag on his wife until elected
Get his old pastor assassinated so he can look remorseful over his grave for not having saved the guy from his horrific rhetoric
Dump Biden claiming he missed some vetting and found some issues, then get Hillary as his VP, then quadruple his security.
Have Russia remove troops from Georgia. after a talk with Obama and their president... and them claiming it was that talk which made them leave... they re-invade after he is elected of course.



Parade his very nice looking wife around more often



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All of that was the Humor, all else was serious.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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no Einstein, your whole post was a joke
you continue to proove, that you're blinded and you only see what you want to but STILL choose to voice your views as if they were valid, or atleast close to the truth, which they're not, infact they're far from it

frankly, yes i admit i'm biased toward obama too, exactly why i chose not to say anything about what McCain is doing and how it will all fail horribly

if anything, i agree with Golk, on atleast most of his views

and Golk, no i didn't get a chance to see the interview yet, i'm sure he did great tongue -- hopefully i'll get time to see it a bit later, school has started thus me being really busy tongue

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Part three of O'Reilly on Ayers, Wright, etc.

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/

Like the first one, I have the feeling the content is not the main message that viewers take out, but Obama's attitude. It kind of guarantees success, even if the answers are somewhat confused sometimes. Probably a good push is O'Reilly himself introducing the interview with "I have new respect for the man. I believe he is sincere in his beliefs."

As for speeches, the "You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig." Obama lines, shows they are ready to try and expose the republican game with Palin. Dangerous though, I think.
It shows that he has to adress Palin, which is bad for the top fight. Imo, he personnaly should ignore her as much as possible.

McCain is still with the Palin express, not much change in the speeches (no need I would say) and airs an ad on Obama's sex education in perhaps the most evident attempt of having him cross the line with Palin.

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omg, Gladiator vs. Flint is worse than obama vs. hillary o_O

Sex without the e is still SX!

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Actually this belong here, posted wrongly on the lipstick thing wink
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If anyone needs to understand that this is not about issues, just look at Biden's choice as sparring partner to train for the Palin Debate: Jennifer Granholm.

She's 49 with 3 kids and... former Miss San Carlos. And of course she's got lipstick big_smile

Training for economic talk? Middle class concerns? Nah. Training to see how a good looking and battling mother will gain the viewers sympathy by exposing you as an old arrogant and sexist guy.

By the way, THIS is sexism. At the same time, it proves the Obama campaign not only got the danger on day 1 but is still very focused on how to try and win this thing.

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The kind of article I meant damaging to Obama... specially when it's in the Guardian frontpage and ends up on Fox News homepage.

The Guardian: "The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/uselections2008.barackobama


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(btw next to http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10/report-mccain-a-hero-to-taxpayers/ for those of you who like Fox bias - the Palin-bikini story is not bad either)

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> SuperSoaker Sammy wrote:

> omg, Gladiator vs. Flint is worse than obama vs. hillary o_O





hehe, i'll be obama smile

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> Gladiator wrote:

> Einstein, i don't know if i should be sad that the claimed humor was not funny
or that there was some seriousness to that tongue

that's a COMPLETE COMPLETE bias toward Obama, atleast i only said what i thought i could say fairly and with a unbiased view

Golk so far has done a great job of being unbiased -- if you're guna do an analysis of both sides Einstein, you could really learn A LOT from him
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Unfortunately, I fully agree. sad

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18 (edited by Gladiator 10-Sep-2008 21:37:25)

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Golk i don't think the lipstick comment was meant to debunk palin, it was again comparing bush to McCain

and in my opinion, McCain has put Palin in the front seat for TOOOO LONG, TOOO DAMN LONG, this is guna come back and bite them in the ass tongue, that's my take on it -- when is the last time you heard McCain say something that got the media talking(good things) about him, you haven't!! it's all been palin this and palin that
it was great for a little while, but it hurts McCain in the long run -- he is the one that is going to be winning or loosing the election

he is loosing PRECIOUS time,
also another thing, i was thinking about recently, Palin is the one drawing the crowds, now after this palin spotlight(i'll give it 3-4 more days) Palin can't leave McCain...in my opinion
they have to campaign together, if she goes somewhere else, she will end up drawing more crowds than mccain, cuz mccain just gathers dust, nothing more tongue

and that would look REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY bad... maybe he'll get some grandpa guy sitting alone sympathy ..but that aint good tongue

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aye but th' American voters be extremely feeble an' gullible.  We will pay attention t' anythin' that's interestin' atm an' forget about th' pressin' issues that were talked about yesterday.  People aren't even payin' attention t' what bush is doin' right now.  People be also focussin' so much on Palin that they aren't askin' anymore questions about McCain.  And scallywags be so focussed on what Obama is doin' in reference t' palin (who isn't really that important unless o' course McCain dies) that joe biden's plans as a possible vice president hasn't even been much o' a topic.

Sex without the e is still SX!

20 (edited by Gladiator 11-Sep-2008 03:10:08)

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and just as i said that
McCain's first appearence without Palin, since he picked her was drowned out with Obama chants in the background
and the McCain campaign announced today that McCain will campaign with Palin a lot more than other VP picks have in the past, i guess they took my advice lol wink


and nolio, you're absolutely right, and Obama is and is gunna capitalize on this opportunity, he's all issues now, his last two press meeting sorta things, were REALLY effective, he's guna come out of this as the mature candidate and this helps him in the debates aswell tongue

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Yeah, I think the Obama campaign team is doing a good job counter measuring the Palin fiasco. People get bored of what's new very easily. Like a black man running for president kinda played out quick. Now its all about a mother from alaska. I think she's catching a little more publicity than hillary because she doesn't have the clinton name attached to her. So it makes her a lil bit more genuine as opposed to hillary.

Anyhow, we'll see how things go. Right now, both parties just need to do whatever they can to win. I think the polls have them at about 48% each and its always changing but not by very much. Neither has led by more than 2% in a long while. Hopefully people get out and vote. This is a very very important election.

Sex without the e is still SX!

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I'm confused.  Who's runnin' fer president, Sarah Palin or John McSame?


Someone help me hmm

23 (edited by Einstein 11-Sep-2008 05:52:18)

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McCain is not the same as Bush.

Man Bush swept McCain under the bus in 2000.


McCain was totally against Bush on many issues.

But they are both Republicans, so more than 10% of their votes are going to match tongue





Trying to tie in the two will sink you in the general election, cause people KNOW they are not the same.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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24 (edited by Justinian I 11-Sep-2008 06:32:37)

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If Obama wins, I am going to live in exile in another country until a conservative president again takes the helm, and reverses Obama's anti upper middle class reforms.


At the moment, it's either Argentina or Sweden.  In Sweden I have family that that we still have vague connections to.  As for Argentina, I could live the high life when I get my inheritance.

25 (edited by Golk 11-Sep-2008 15:37:15)

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Part 4 (and last part) of O'Reilly Factor interview with Obama has been aired.  Sorry to be a pain with those but I definitely think it is relevant.

Overall, I'd say Obama won quite a few points doing it.