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...Is biased. They are influenced by, or in favor of some people/political factions etc. Nobody really denies it. Though often people propose their preferred media channel as being "the most clean".
But I have no solution to this. State based media as often proposed, is not clean either so no real solution to this problem I.M.O. Is there some enlightened mind present on this forum who does have a solution?
My solution: Deal with it.
No, seriously.
As long as you recognize the bias of sources, you will know that any individual source is illegitimate, and thus force yourself to use multiple sources to gain information, then decide for yourself what to believe.
MSNBC had to remove their two biggest names when the people watching them dropped to even lower levels due to the rampant pure Obamaism they have been doing. Back to basic anchor duties they will not be flying with Obama and coordinating with his press staff anymore, oh boohoo for them, they decided that a super leftist from a no-name site should take over... gonna be funny to watch them plummet more.
Perhaps we can watch them go out of business?
How is it that a person will only notice the bias of media whose bias conflicts with that person's own views?
> Little Paul wrote:
> ...Is biased. They are influenced by, or in favor of some people/political factions etc. Nobody really denies it. Though often people propose their preferred media channel as being "the most clean".
But I have no solution to this. State based media as often proposed, is not clean either so no real solution to this problem I.M.O. Is there some enlightened mind present on this forum who does have a solution?
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Zarf's solution is correct.
But because it's correct most people don't do it.
Hint, it requires thinking work time.
> [TI] Sitting Duck wrote:
> How is it that a person will only notice the bias of media whose bias conflicts with that person's own views?
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I think he was referring to all 4 major TV news networks.
My observation has been that FOX is biased towards the right, sometimes the far right.
The other 3 are biased towards the left or far left.
All 4 are owned by people who are right-wingers.
But 3 of the 4 are directed by left-wingers.
Those right-wingers sure know how to make money!
Those left-wingers are better at brain-dirtying people than the right-wingers are (which is one reason they have 75% of the major TV power).
the best solution, or the solution i use is either
you watch a channel with the opposite views of yours 
or half the time you watch fox and the other half MSNBC
Amazing how MSNBC can take over the "Left" from CNN.
I tell ya....Ive been giving ABC a shot lately .... for their national news.
Actually the solution is state funded media who's funding doesn't depend on the number of viewers it gets + who's program isn't influenced by the state. My country has one state run news program which is cleaner than the other two private ones. All three are also less biased than the 4 major american ones.
BW
that's a personal opinion, i personally think CNN atleast tries to give a view from both sides
and i personally feel MSNBC really is all democrats
and as far as fox goes, there is no question they are the biggest news corporation biased toward the republicans
yes fox also has the highest viewer population. Because they took advantage of the fact that 10 years ago there was no major news station biased towards the right.
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It may be biased, but it's one of the forces that control the world. Ever since fast consumed news - tv journals- were invented
In other words: tv IS history (We Didn't Start The Fire)
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2b-oGXbzXko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Didn't_Start_the_Fire#Historical_items_referred_to_in_the_song
This thing is a pure gem. 
cuz most republicans have nothing more to do with their time than watch o'reilly call people pin heads
"yes fox also has the highest viewer population. Because they took advantage of the fact that 10 years ago there was no major news station biased towards the right."
I disagree , they got viewers by dumbing down news as far as possible, taking advantage of the fact that most Americans are politically dumb
Actually if you ever watch CNN for an hour, then Foxnews for an hour, you learn more from the hour of Fox News than the hour of CNN.
This means all the intelligent people are at Foxnews
> paul valter pihlo wrote:
> Actually the solution is state funded media who's funding doesn't depend on the number of viewers it gets + who's program isn't influenced by the state. My country has one state run news program which is cleaner than the other two private ones. All three are also less biased than the 4 major american ones.
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Which country are you in?
> Gladiator wrote:
> and as far as fox goes, there is no question they are the biggest news corporation biased toward the republicans
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They're the ONLY (of the big 4) news corporation biased towards the Republicans!
Doesn't make it right though.
> Einstein wrote:
> Actually if you ever watch CNN for an hour, then Foxnews for an hour, you learn more from the hour of Fox News than the hour of CNN.
This means all the intelligent people are at Foxnews
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No, this only means either:
A) there are less unintellligent people at FOX than at CNN
OR
B) there are more intelligent people at FOX than CNN...not taking into consideration people at the other news networks.
"They're the ONLY (of the big 4) news corporation biased towards the Republicans!
Doesn't make it right though"
well our democrats you can say then, are spread out over 3 different news corporations..
"> Actually the solution is state funded media who's funding doesn't depend on the number of viewers it gets + who's program isn't influenced by the state. My country has one state run news program which is cleaner than the other two private ones. All three are also less biased than the 4 major american ones."
Totally right, in my country the tv which allways show both sides is state funded. All the other channel normally take abit of a side, but never like the americans do.. and normally its only in foreign affairs.
"Actually the solution is state funded media"
Its often proposed in this forum, and every time again with no arguments and little debate. But coming from you it might be worth it to give it a shot.
"who's funding doesn't depend on the number of viewers it gets"
True there. Its indeed a disadvantage of the commercial ones.
" + who's program isn't influenced by the state."
that would be the ideal world. But there are so many ways the state influences the media, also indirectly. If not, even then there are many ways "parties", "companies" or "persons" can influence it.
"My country has one state run news program which is cleaner than the other two private ones."
So witch country are you from again? (I know I asked it before but I have a bad memory.)
in my opinion the media should remain free
it is after all a business
the side they choose to be biased towards is THEIR decision, it is THEIR business, it is not OUR business, it is theirs and they have the right and freedom to run THEIR business, what ever way they like
if you don't like it, you don't watch their business
also another thing, in my opinion an un-biased news media in america will NOT work, it will not run, that business will FAIL
for the simple reason that, americans usually watch with their views, not against them, if they hear even one bad word about their candidate, they won't like that channel
other than debates, people don't really watch these channels to make their mind on a candidate, usually they have already made up their mind and are just checking in to see whats up
I think I'm going to start a counter of the number of times we see these threads in politics. Yes, it happens. The media is biased but they are human, and we have a slight dedency of taking sides on an issue. Unless your affiliated with a political organization, then your voice sways with the opinion polls.
> Gladiator wrote:
> "They're the ONLY (of the big 4) news corporation biased towards the Republicans!
Doesn't make it right though"
well our democrats you can say then, are spread out over 3 different news corporations..
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Wow, a male spinster!
Seriously though, your Dems are multiplied over 3, not spread out (the phrase you're referring to...heh) over 3.
> Gladiator wrote:
> in my opinion the media should remain free
it is after all a business
the side they choose to be biased towards is THEIR decision, it is THEIR business, it is not OUR business, it is theirs and they have the right and freedom to run THEIR business, what ever way they like
if you don't like it, you don't watch their business
also another thing, in my opinion an un-biased news media in america will NOT work, it will not run, that business will FAIL
for the simple reason that, americans usually watch with their views, not against them, if they hear even one bad word about their candidate, they won't like that channel
other than debates, people don't really watch these channels to make their mind on a candidate, usually they have already made up their mind and are just checking in to see whats up
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Says the person whose views are represented by 75% of the major 4 TV networks!
(possible loss of major media power to influence the general sheep population bother you?)
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