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Government Enforced Compassion

NDAC is strongly opposed to socialism.

The current income tax system is a heavy burden, especially on low income earners and small businesses. Everyone pays hidden taxes on everything purchased. The burden is heavy, about 26 - 30% of the cost of every product or service you purchase. If you really care about low income earners, get Congress to pass HR25 and S25, replacing the income tax system with a sales tax and prebate to cover the cost of sales tax on necessities. Under this law, low income earners will keep 100% of their paycheck, nothing will be withheld.

We strongly favor private organizations that support welfare/health functions. Numerous charity organizations exist and they are much more efficient than government. If the government would get out of the welfare business and advocate the privatization of welfare, we could have a much better system. The Key: Voluntary presentation of one's resources into community health and welfare is amazingly robust, and could be enhanced if governments did not confiscate our money without choice. It is not government's job to force me to have compassion.

Government organizations are very inefficient, wasteful, and subject to much corruption.

So NDAC is clear about this. Our choice of terminology is designed to provoke thought and consideration. Compassion, enforced by government, is coercion. You don't have a choice in the matter. And also take another look at the chart, the single largest item in the federal budget is social spending, even if you don't include Social Security.

http://www.federalbudget.com/interview.html

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Jesus was a socilaist

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Jesus was not a socilaist.
Nor was he a socialist.
He also wasn't a capitalist.
And He wasn't a communist.
Nor is He any of those things.




Jesus favours THIS political party!!!!


I need to say something incredibly important about myself:

POLITICALLY >>> I AM A CENTRIST:

I am neither an extreme right-winger, NOR am I an extreme left-winger.
..."sorry" to either "camp" that might continue to get ticked off at me about that.

In areas where I perceive the left-wingers to be correct (where they differ from right-wingers), I adopt those views of theirs at that time for that situation.
In areas where I perceive the right-wingers to be correct (where they differ from left-wingers), I adopt those views of theirs at that time for that situation.

OH, AND JESUS WAS AGAINST ALL POLITICAL GROUPS:
1- The Pharisees (Jewish right-wingers)
2- The Saducees (Jewish left-wingers)
3- The Zealots (Jewish anarchists/revolutionaries)
4- The Essenes (Jewish avoidance community, similar to the Amish/Hutterites)

Why?
Because none of them were Centrists.

IN ALL ACTUALITY,
JESUS WAS AND IS A MONARCHIST (but only of Himself).

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4 Reply by Selur Ku (edited by Selur Ku 09-Sep-2008 23:11:22)

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"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. "

"Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God," (Luke's version). To the rich he said, "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth," and "go, sell what you have, and give to the poor."

According to your holy book.

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Still not an endorsement of socialism. Very weak arguement.

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that reminds me of this great picture. big_smile


http://www.georgehernandez.com/h/aaBlog/2004/media/09-12_BushVsJesus.jpg

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7 Reply by Little Paul (edited by Little Paul 10-Sep-2008 00:32:39)

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Jezus if anything, was an anarchist in his time newb.

That is, if he's not invented.

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If anything, Jesus was an anomaly.

Jesus didn't have a political stance. Politics weren't for the people back then so he didn't have to bother with it all..

On a sidenote: socialism is against religion, so Jesus can't have been a socialist tongue

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The fair tax won't work.

It'll create a massive, I mean massive, black market.

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I am in favor of a pure corporate flat tax, since corporations are fewer than individuals this would give us the means to eliminate the IRS and most tax attorneys instantly.

Additionally it would favor small businesses enough that could 'keep under the radar' which to me is not a bad thing. When they earn enough they will show up and need to file taxes, else they are not generating enough to worry about.

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As a society we should always be worried about the state of the most unfortunate, our young, our sick and our elderly. If we all donated enough for these things then we would not need taxes, but then you would be jsut giving away about the same as you are taxed now, so wouldn't taxes be useful?

Flat sales tax would be good, however as IA says it encourages a balck market. Thus take a flat income tax, lowish and only on income above the poverty line, and a lower sales tax... I also prefer the graduated sales tax so you can tax some items more than others... it has been complained about before about taxing "rich" goods, however luxuary items are such that people normally don't quibble over a few dollars here or there anyway, so it is the better place to make teh monies and not encourage a black market...

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hehe in germany we have one intresting model being discussed.
Every citizen gets a fixed monthly income by the goverment. plan was 800

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a flat sales tax is silly. Luxurious products like chocolate, caviar, champagne, luxurious cars etc. should be taxed more to make the tax basic products less and thus make those basic products cheaper...

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they tried that in 1991, it killed several American industries like the yachtbuilding firms in Maine that had been older than the USA, they put a 25% tax on new construction of yachts so everybody bought a used one or went overseas.   It was repealed in 1993, one of the few tax cuts Clinton put through that year.

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a graduated tax doesnt work as the yell pointed out. 

I am more in favor of the Fair Tax but there are small concerns as to whether or not there would be a massive black market. 

I doubt that would happen.  if you understand the fair tax you would realize that all the taxes that are put on industries now would be removed so that they could produce products for an incredibly cheap price without governments hands in their pockets.  that in turn would allow the products to be sold at a much lower rate.  however, to replace those lost taxes that were originally placed early on in the production phase a sales tax would be introduced. this sales tax would balance out the price so that if the system were implemented today no one would notice a large price change.  The only thing they would notice would be that they no longer get large portions of there paycheck taken away. 

Now that people have more money and prices on goods havent changed much people will go out and spend more.  So not only would the revenue from the old income tax be replaced but new capitol would be generated from the drastically increased Commerce.

I think this idea is brilliant.

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> Selur Ku wrote:

> "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. "

"Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God," (Luke's version). To the rich he said, "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth," and "go, sell what you have, and give to the poor."

According to your holy book.
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Yes, but not an endorsement of socialism.
Jesus didn't and doesn't force people to apply His truths.
Socialism does.

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> Elliot Erased wrote:

> If anything, Jesus was an anomaly.

Jesus didn't have a political stance. Politics weren't for the people back then so he didn't have to bother with it all..

On a sidenote: socialism is against religion, so Jesus can't have been a socialist tongue
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The type of tax I like the most is the one that Moses instituted with the Israelites back in the desert after leaving Egypt:

10% to the government
10% to the poor (for food and clothing and water)
10% to the temple (which I'm not really for from Jesus life after earth onwards)
3.3% (about, based on all of the following: based on the every 50yrs Jubilee [getting one's property back] and the every 7yrs [i forget about this one, would have to look it up again] something or other to help the poor)
...and EVERY able-bodied person would be required to work.
Physically disabled people didn't.

THE ABOVE IS AN APPROXIMATION...not exact.

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> Schniepel wrote:

> hehe in germany we have one intresting model being discussed.
Every citizen gets a fixed monthly income by the goverment. plan was 800

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dunno if its really communism..  only partly i would say.

would still be a free market with capitalism...

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But is that th' only dubloons they get?

Or do they earn their own income outside o' what th' government gives them?

If th' latter then 'tis socialism, not communism.

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http://www.imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=30243

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Where does th' 64 billion euro a month come from then?

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scallywags fer sure will keep workin' in companies, Dance the Hempen Jig th' economical system would stay.

it would be just removement o' all taxes..  only one probablly pretty high sales tax.  Fire the cannons, pass the grog! an' that monthly payment.


now yell, i did not read th' book about it.  I dern't know all th' numbers.  I have no notion how much tax income would be created by lets say a 30% sales tax in germany.
Oho! 
i also am not sayin' that i do want that system:P i also mentioned its a quiet popular notion here because th' tax thingy reminded me about it..

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