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Nver seen this much stupidity over such a small thing before.
I wonder if Simon and Soth are below 14 years of age. If they aren't then I think they are stupid to extreme.

Who cares about the egging part? The kid got shot in the head ffs!
Every sort if "prank" is bad for someone, but who cares in this case???
Geez, you go and say that throwing a damned egg at a car is as bad at shoting someone in the head!
Such stupidity.

And ofc Flint, ... geez.

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> Newb wrote:

> WOW, ISN'T IT AMAZING THAT AN EGG CAN CREATE THIS MUCH LOVE IN THE ROOM?
We should egg every leader of all the other nations of the world!!!
THE WAY TO WORLD PEACE!
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> The Dragon Agh wrote:

> Nver seen this much stupidity over such a small thing before.
I wonder if Simon and Soth are below 14 years of age. If they aren't then I think they are stupid to extreme.

Who cares about the egging part? The kid got shot in the head ffs!
Every sort if "prank" is bad for someone, but who cares in this case???
Geez, you go and say that throwing a damned egg at a car is as bad at shoting someone in the head!
Such stupidity.

And ofc Flint, ... geez.
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I think he's saying both are bad.
Not that either one isn't bad.

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> Newb wrote:

> > The Dragon Agh wrote:

> Nver seen this much stupidity over such a small thing before.
I wonder if Simon and Soth are below 14 years of age. If they aren't then I think they are stupid to extreme.

Who cares about the egging part? The kid got shot in the head ffs!
Every sort if "prank" is bad for someone, but who cares in this case???
Geez, you go and say that throwing a damned egg at a car is as bad at shoting someone in the head!
Such stupidity.

And ofc Flint, ... geez.
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I think he's saying both are bad.
Not that either one isn't bad.
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newb is correct.  but some people seem to think that egging isnt wrong and thats what makes me mad.

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Of course egging is wrong. It's vandalism. What the problem is tho is that the OP and several others are giving off the impression that they think that it was justified in MURDERING someone! I don't care what the hell the kid was doing, it is still MORE WRONG to kill someone over egging an effing car!!! How the hell is a car more important that human life? I hope the sick mf that did this is caught and thrown under the jail and that their "precious" car is sent to the junkyard to be crushed into scrap!

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> Soth wrote:

> perhaps i did make a mistake in the interpretation of your posts.  I should have taken the immediate assumption that you did not read anything before your post and were just spouting egging cases in an attempt to validate whatever point you were trying to prove. 

but the fact of the matter still stands (which is why im right) both parties were wrong and both parties can be considered criminal. 

now how do you not understand that?  or are brains passed out upside down in canadia?



If brains were passed out upside down, I don't think my spinal column would work properly. I'd be a quad. yikes


Legally speaking, a criminal is someone who was found guilty or been convicted of a criminal offense. So neither of them are criminals, although the accused murderer will likely be one in short order.


Now, what the boy did was wrong. It may even run contrary to the law, but unless prosecutors would have brought a criminal case against him, he would not be a criminal. And in a simple one-off egging case, the likelihood of that is slim. Now of course, if this child was a repeat offender, sure they may have charged him, in an attempt to knock some sense into him. But the majority of the time, a young kid lobbing an egg at a car isn't going to criminal court and should not be called a criminal.

Laws are often not meant to be interpreted strictly. They tend to be created with a goal in mind, a purpose. For example, there are laws against hitting your spouse. That being said, is the law designed to stop all spouses from hitting one another? No. Are prosecutors going to charge every spouse for every little infraction? No. Prosecutors don't really care about a wife who slapped her husband a few times a husband who hit his wife once (unless of course the spouse really cares and is adamant that something be done). They're more worried about repeat offenders, or those who beat their spouse black and blue, or those that use a weapon or cause injury. In short, the law blankets everyone, but it's not used on everyone. It's used to nail the dangerous and the extreme cases.

I remember stealing a small toy from a store when I was old enough to know better. I admitted it. Do you think they came after me? Hell, no. Sure theft is illegal. They could have pressed charges, tried to send me to juvie, but criminal law isn't really meant to deal with such small matters. It can of course...if I kept stealing toys from stores, charges would eventually be pressed, but for one toy...nah. The law isn't meant for that.


I know where you're coming from Soth. The kid did violate a law. But the odds were heavily in his favour that criminal charges wouldn't have been pressed...and so, he's no criminal.  Just a silly kid who did something wrong. Of course, the guy's insurance company would have gone after him and his family with a civil suit for the damages done to the car, but that's another matter.

Anyhoo, gone for the weekend big_smile Adios.

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no matter whether or not the court is involved.  in the case of your example theo, when you stole from a store.  does it matter whether or not you were caught or if charges were pressed?  you still stole and you were still criminal for doing it.  its simple.  the law is a blanket covering everyone whether they like or not.  humans can make exceptions to the punishment involved in the law but in the eyes of the law a criminal is a criminal, whats wrong is wrong, and what is right is right.  nothing else.


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"perhaps i should do like you do alan and put a smilie face at the end of an attack to negate the negative"

Grab your dictionary, and look up "irony"

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@ people thinking that condemning egging means u condone the murder: thats simply wrong argumentation.

Why go on about egging? because everyone here can agree murder is a bad thing, and totally out of proportion to the egging. Discussing something that has everyone on the same side just isn't interesting.

about the topic of egging: they can seriously damage your paint.

whether its criminal or not, it's just a very respectless thing to do. Laws in this matter imho are insuffici

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is this einstein fellow some sort of advocate of islamic law? steal an egg, your hand gets chopped off; throw an egg, get shot in the head? or what? jesus.

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No

I am not advocating Murder, and you are Satanic imo to assume this.


I am saying DO NOT DO CRIME AT ALL! and pranks are, imo, crimes and should not be committed.

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were you bullied in school?

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satanic huh?

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"Who cares about the egging part? The kid got shot in the head ffs!
Every sort if "prank" is bad for someone, but who cares in this case???"

I have stated before that the kid didn't deserve death. Please read.
and ditto what Soth said. Again Dragon, please read.

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> Lucifuge wrote:

> is this einstein fellow some sort of advocate of islamic law? steal an egg, your hand gets chopped off; throw an egg, get shot in the head? or what? jesus.
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Dude the thing is, if you willingly ignore the evidence and twist it to your own way to try to 'score with those who do not like me' then you are evil, or are committing an evil act, willingly.

IE the Satanic diss on you.

Learn to understand, or to ask questions if you do not understand.

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so that's a yes then? see, i'm asking a question. actually, i asked a question earlier and now i'm just asking for confirmation of the response your message portrayed. i'm asking a question to learn to understand.

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Michael, from your original post, you presented your ideas in a manner that made it appear that you felt the shooting was justified. It's basic communications. You start off with the message you want to send, then you think about your audience. After that, you come up with a way to present your message so that the most people understand what you were trying to say. You failed. So now you come off looking like a sicko who is advocating murder.

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Actually it is what we Americans call "street smarts".  It's a devolution of what our mountain men knew--those were like, Rangers with guns.  Now if Bobby Jo come down the mountain with half his arm gnawed off by a momma bar what saw Bobby ropin' her cub, you would admit it was a cryin shame, but it must be acknowledged that Bobby had been a damn fool who should have seen that coming.

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We are not bears. We have self awareness and a set of laws. You wanna catch who's been egging your car, fill a balloon with paint and chuck at the little punks. They'll be marked and easier to pick up.

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> twistedpuppet wrote:

> We are not bears. We have self awareness and a set of laws. You wanna catch who's been egging your car, fill a balloon with paint and chuck at the little punks. They'll be marked and easier to pick up.
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I like the idea! big_smile

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122 (edited by Theodora 08-Sep-2008 20:37:22)

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"no matter whether or not the court is involved.  in the case of your example theo, when you stole from a store.  does it matter whether or not you were caught or if charges were pressed?  you still stole and you were still criminal for doing it.  its simple.  the law is a blanket covering everyone whether they like or not.  humans can make exceptions to the punishment involved in the law but in the eyes of the law a criminal is a criminal, whats wrong is wrong, and what is right is right.  nothing else."


Since the very definition of a criminal is someone who was convicted or found guilty of a crime, then yes it does matter. smile

Having said that, generally speaking for crimes to be crimes, the victim actually has to feel as if something untoward has happened. If the state doesn't care that you toilet papered a public statue and so doesn't press criminal charges, then you're not a criminal. [Note: In criminal cases where the person offends both against the state and the victim, you occasionally get cases where the human victim doesn't want charges pressed, but the state does anyway (since the state is also a victim and can take action).]

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theo, now your arguing terminology.  yes, technically, a criminal is someone who has been "convicted" of a crime.  but the way you are presenting it is as though the party in question did nothing wrong, which is false.  thats the only problem i can see in your pointless rants. 

otherwise i think we both agree.  the kid was wrong, so was the shooter, and just because someone was not convicted of a crime doesnt mean what they did wasnt wrong.

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> Theodora wrote:

> "no matter whether or not the court is involved.  in the case of your example theo, when you stole from a store.  does it matter whether or not you were caught or if charges were pressed?  you still stole and you were still criminal for doing it.  its simple.  the law is a blanket covering everyone whether they like or not.  humans can make exceptions to the punishment involved in the law but in the eyes of the law a criminal is a criminal, whats wrong is wrong, and what is right is right.  nothing else."


Since the very definition of a criminal is someone who was convicted or found guilty of a crime, then yes it does matter. smile

Having said that, generally speaking for crimes to be crimes, the victim actually has to feel as if something untoward has happened. If the state doesn't care that you toilet papered a public statue and so doesn't press criminal charges, then you're not a criminal. [Note: In criminal cases where the person offends both against the state and the victim, you occasionally get cases where the human victim doesn't want charges pressed, but the state does anyway (since the state is also a victim and can take action).]
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So you're going based on the letter of the law
instead of going based on
the intent/spirit of the law (when they differ)?

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125 (edited by Theodora 09-Sep-2008 04:26:43)

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theo, now your arguing terminology.  yes, technically, a criminal is someone who has been "convicted" of a crime.  but the way you are presenting it is as though the party in question did nothing wrong, which is false.  thats the only problem i can see in your pointless rants.



I've said the kid was wrong from the getgo...numerous times in fact. big_smile And I've always been arguing terminology, because people use inappropriate words like they were cheap Russian whores.

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