"Don't forget to take away knives and all other objects too! tongue
By the way Canadians have more murders per capita than the Americans do AND our murders are usually more painful and for a longer duration than the American ones.
This is due to many of our murderers NOT using guns."

1- show me your source
2- i did not said to take away any weapon, i just said that to solve crime you must look what is creating it and not by allowing people to have guns so that they can defend themselfs.

"Don't forget to take away knives and all other objects too!" they do in aeroplanes... wonder why

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

will have a better source when i can

>>> Won't need a gun to defend yourself if criminals didn't have access to guns as well. Silly Americans.>>

Yeah if Mike Tyson comes for you, you don't need a gun unless he has one.   And if his six friends don't have one, put up your dukes, win or lose you're a man! Until they pleasure themselves with your ass.

> Freelancer wrote:

> "Don't forget to take away knives and all other objects too! tongue
By the way Canadians have more murders per capita than the Americans do AND our murders are usually more painful and for a longer duration than the American ones.
This is due to many of our murderers NOT using guns."

1- show me your source
2- i did not said to take away any weapon, i just said that to solve crime you must look what is creating it and not by allowing people to have guns so that they can defend themselfs.

"Don't forget to take away knives and all other objects too!" they do in aeroplanes... wonder why

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

will have a better source when i can
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I'd have to take the time to look it up again.
The first time I looked the info up was when I saw Michael Moore's Biasedmentary "Bowling for Columbine" and he stated "...America has the most murders in the world per capita by guns".
I might have paraphrased him but I didn't misrepresent what he said, unlike what he did to many Americans.

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

Something is fishy with the woman's story. Unarmed men don't tend to lunge at armed men pointing shotguns at them...especially when they're already wounded. And if they do...and get shot once, they generally don't lunge again.

/me thinks excessive force was used

Well it might be excessive, in any other states but Texas and a couple other Southern ones.

It's also rather interesting that the guy with the pistol apparently just stood around watching for the first little while. If he was intending to harm the couple, he could have easily done so while they were working the other guy over.

i agree with Theodora
shooting one time is defence, shooting the obviously injured and arching man a second time is murdering him. the whole story is indeed strange. maybe there was just the pistol and the family had the shotgun. they shot them both down and executed in rage one man. to cover this they told the police that story in hope the second man would not survive.

indeed. the problem isn't guns, it's the people. if someone wants to kill you really bad, you'll be dead regardless if the feller used a knife, a ham or a gun. trying to get rid of violence in society is a noble and sensible goal; trying to get rid of guns is a vain and purposeless attempt.

> Wild Foolish Soul wrote:

> "Try doing it without any guns or ammunition of any kind."

The coppers are allowed to carry guns, but I don't think a wild bunch of civilian vigilante cowboys should have them. You made a silly remark and you know it
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I was making a silly suggestion that coppers and soldiers not be allowed to have guns to take away guns from unconvicted and convicted criminals...you know, to not be hypocrites if guns themselves are bad.

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

> Einstein wrote:

> Very well said, perhaps I was wrong about you... I will watch.

Removing all guns, or giving guns to everyone is not a solution, so thing outside of those boxes.
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How about to everyone except violent offenders?
Isn't that what Switzerland's government does?
Do you see any nations trying to attack them?
How's their crime rate?
Heh!

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

Yes all except offenders is a suggestion proposed, I say just give all mentally stable, non-criminal veterans permanent carry permits and a payment for carrying with random checks at work to verify they are carrying. Crime would plummet where Veterans are located mostly at, and in significantly statistical numbers at that

"How about to everyone except violent offenders?
Isn't that what Switzerland's government does?
Do you see any nations trying to attack them?
How's their crime rate?
Heh!"

They must be locked at home.. only militia can carry guns around.

And thanks theodora, and that somewhat proves my point, guns are not the bigger problem people are. if you want to decrease the crime rate you must first look for what it is creating it.

No...you've been proven wrong quite thoroughly.

There has been evidence presented which conflicts with your view.

Despite your claims (the information for which should be relatively accessible), you have not been able tp present evidence that agrees with your viewpoint.

In short, you lose. You can't win a court case if you can't back up your points.

As an aside, whether you trust Wikipedia matters very little, since Wikipedia does not in fact generate the statistics. They are generated via various government stats bureaus in their respective countries. The original sources are provided on the Wiki page. So have fun if you want to. But all it'll do is make you do more work to figure out you were wrong.

As another aside, it's a logical fallacy to attack the source instead of the statistics.

Thank you Theodora for providing the actual statistical sources.

I apologize.
I'm in the crime city of Canada AND the statistics I had looked up back then (from a book from a public library) were from the 1980's.

So my memory of my research back then was tainted by the murder-ridden city I live in (where the majority of our crimes are by knives and broken glass alchohol bottles).
Overdosing in drugs and/or alchohol is usually what opened the door to our murders.

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.