Topic: "Primetime: Ecstasy rising " war on drugs

I just found a news story from awhile back that i think is important regarding the drug MDMA. Kinda made me question the whole war on drugs and why are Drugs so bad anyway. idk just an interesting video

http://usercash.com/go/1/39992/http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1564288654365150131

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2 (edited by Justinian I 07-Sep-2008 20:57:30)

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I have a great way for solving the war on drugs, but no one is willing to be ruthless like me. The solution is to simply eliminate the demand for drugs.

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well MDMA is not addicting and actually has potential for great medical uses such as in couples counciling and ptsd.

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4 (edited by Justinian I 07-Sep-2008 21:02:04)

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> -=RpA=- Crananada -=Pw9=- wrote:

> well MDMA is not addicting and actually has potential for great medical uses such as in couples counciling and ptsd.>>

You're telling me that a drug that exhausts your supply of endorphins isn't addicting?

hahahahaha.

Not only does it exhaust your endorphins, but if you use the drug chronically you will become dependent on it for feeling anything but depressed.

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just watch the video

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I can barely hear it.

And what I said about it is science. It moreover damages the nervous system by its endorphin exhausting effects.

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it may deplete your saritonin for a day or two but dispite the lower level the symptoms one might expect  of depleted saritonin are actually in many cases the opposite.

also there have been no long term sideeffects that have been proven, rather the opposite actually.

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Long Term Effects
Ecstasy causes long-lasting, possibly permanent, damage to nerve endings in the brain that are critical for thought and memory. It impairs the function and long term production of serotonin, a brain chemical playing a role in regulating mood memory, sleep, and appetite.


Long-Term Side Effects of Ecstasy

The side effects of long-term ecstasy use are just beginning to undergo scientific analysis. In 1998, the National Institute of Mental Health conducted a study of a small group of habitual ecstasy users who were abstaining from use. The study revealed that the abstinent users suffered damage to the neurons in the brain that transmit serotonin, an important biochemical involved in a variety of critical functions including learning, sleep, and integration of emotion. The results of the study indicate that recreational ecstasy users may be at risk of developing permanent brain damage that may manifest itself in depression, anxiety, memory loss, and other neuropsychotic disorders.





While the number of deaths related directly to ecstasy use is relatively low (only a handful have been reported in Great Britain and the United States), the side effects of the drug include dehydration, heat exhaustion, and dangerously high body temperatures.

"Like other potent mind-altering drugs, the use of ecstasy has been associated with impaired mental health and impaired judgment," Dr. Karl Jansen, an expert affiliated with the anti-drug website ecstasy.org, said. "While under the influence of the drug, users may sometimes experience confusion, disorientation, anxiety, panic attacks, depression, insomnia, depersonalization, derealisation, perceptual disorders and hallucinations, paranoia and psychotic phenomena. Suffice to say, it is extremely dangerous."

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The Guardian, Thursday April 18 2002
Article history
Scientific evidence that ecstasy damages the brain is fundamentally flawed and has misled politicians and the public, according to New Scientist magazine. It says in a report that many of the findings published in respected journals cannot be trusted.
In an accompanying editorial, the magazine says: "Our investigation suggests the experiments are so irretrievably flawed that the scientific community risks haemorrhaging credibility if it continues to let them inform public policy."

At the centre of the controversy are scans which allegedly show that ecstasy destroys nerve cells involved in the production and transport of serotonin, a brain chemical.

In 1998 a team at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore published a paper in The Lancet, based on brain scans, showing what looked like lasting brain damage in ecstasy users. But two independent experts told New Scientist there was a key flaw - the way brains reacted to the scan varied with or without ecstasy.

The magazine also criticised two other studies.

New Scientist said it was an "open secret" some researchers who failed to find impairment in ecstasy users had trouble getting findings published. It said many antidepressant drugs also acted on serotonin and were taken by millions, yet very few studies had explored their potential to cause lasting damage to the brain.

Press Association

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10 (edited by CanadianTire 08-Sep-2008 05:05:13)

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The first minute and 12 seconds actually makes me want to try E. Is that the intent? Don't have time to watch full, but I'll bookmark and it finish it.

And Flint, where is your source? No links, no name of a group or organization that collected the information. No information on the scientists (I would hope they are scientists with Phd's. Police watching a strung out junkie in a holding cell is not research) who conducted the study. Also, how old is your information? Do you really wonder why people doubt your every word?
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I made time to watch the video, and it was really interesting. The DEA are always looking for the next way to ensure they have to role to play with the government, and E and Pot is what will keep them relevant, and worthy of huge sums of taxpayer money each year. However, the worst idea is like they said. What if long term effects are severe, and are discovered? Will anyone believe it after so many years of lies and faulty science?

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One question.. does anyone of you have friends or know people who do extasy for quiet a while?
It is pretty OBVIOUS those people suffer some dmage in their brains.. I know like 3-4 people who regulary do it and its sad i tell you. People usually get difficulties in talking.. finding words and such.
i do weed regulary so i am not totally anti drug.

But why extasy? Is there any need to keep the body awake? personally i can say when i am out celebrating and the party is good there is no need at all to take anything to keep me awake.

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@Schniepel

I know lots of people who do Ecstasy, some who only do ecstasy and others who are poly drug users the people i know have been useing from anywhere between 1-15 years. the ones who have stuck to ecstasy in my experience have no noticeable symptoms that would suggest brain damage. The poly drug users who do hard things like coke, pcp, meth, crack, or heroin... those are the people who you look at and are just like WTF did u do to yourself...

Why Ecstasy? well first of all i dont think people take Ecstasy simply to stay awake, although staying awake is one of the sideeffects.
MDMA causes increases of sensitivity to sight, smell, touch, taste, and hearing. also ecstasy seems to instill a sense of empathy into those who take it, which makes the user tend to see the good in everything.

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13 (edited by vissertje 08-Sep-2008 16:16:38)

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I'm pretty familiar with MDMA (and lotsa other drugs for that matter... had a bit of an experimental period a few years back)

MDMA isn't addicting in the sense that you want to use it all the time, simply because the pleasant effects of it go away if you use it too often. More than once per month takes away all of the (very enjoyable) feelings it gives. Also everyone i know (including myself) that have taken it eventually got bored. It just doesnt give the effect u get the first times anymore. Also it makes u quite retarded when under the influence and u look like crap! The real danger of MDMA is a social one: theres a good chance you stop enjoying parties without it. Meeting intelligent people when you're on it is pretty hard too tongue And ofcourse there's a list of medical problems, but those are mostly for the group that don't get tired of it and use more and more to still feel something.

Oh and then there's the case of "bad" pills. The ones that make people vomit. They tend to have the drug mcpp in it, and the stupid thing is that those pills almost always have a dose that's too high if u take the entire pill. The MDMA junkies who take multiple ones at the same time can thus get a dangerous toxic dose. I once got one of those things and ended up puking my guts out all night, having terrible stomach cramps and a feverish feeling that lasted my whole sleepless night. After that i switched to MDMA crystals if I'd do anything.

The real addiction causers are coke, amphetamine, ghb and ketamine. Oh and lets not forget marihuana. Very easy to get addicted to marihuana. I used to be. Takes away ambition and it's a mental escape for problems (talking about heavy use).

I personally quit pretty much everything now.. there's still something I do called 4-fmp that I believe isn't illegal yet since it's so unknown. Mild stimulant that increases attention and concentration and makes you feel mildly euphoric, without a big comedown, hangover or impact on sleep.


On the war on drugs: imo the question of whether or not drugs are bad shouldnt even play a big part in the discussion. The real question is: do tougher policies achieve the following goals:
- less users? -> no: compare countries with strict policies to the one with less strict ones. The countries with strict policies have more users.
- less problems for the addicts? -> no. Illegality and higher punishments prevents them from being helped/cured if they're addicted. Help is much harder to come by. Also there's the feedback loop of use -> social isolation -> more use.

Just forbidding and punishing it with years imprisonment etc because drugs are bad for your health is just not pragmatic. It only makes the problems worse.

What's left as an agument?

There's morality. On that issue I think it's my choice what to ingest and not the government's. I'm not harming anyone with it. Only myself. (in my case there's been a buncha good sides to it too that helped me get some problems out of the way though)

I think the real reason to criminalize drug use is this: getting votes. The masses are taught that alcohol and tobacco are okay, and a strong lobby prevents any illegalization. They think that illegal drugs are bad,
a) because they're illegal (law abiding citizens shouldn't question things too much: illegal means it's bad and immoral) and
b) it's unknown and people fear the unknown.

Being tough on drugs wins over the non pragmatic and fearful people who think they have the moral right to decide what other people ingest.

On the topic of drugs being so terribly bad: alcohol and tobacco causes so much more problems/deaths. If anything should be banned it's that.

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I do caffeine!

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"I have a great way for solving the war on drugs, but no one is willing to be ruthless like me. The solution is to simply eliminate the demand for drugs."

Oh, why didn't they think of that before? Maybe they should try to make video clips to warn people for the downsides of drugs! tongue

Extacy is an amphetamine, and those are not bad at all when used in small amounts. A similar product is "rilatine", wich is used by people (mostly kids) that have a concentration-disturbance. They use it on a daily base, and no real harm is done when they use it in the prescribed dose.

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Just because it belongs in the category amphetamines doesn't mean it has the same health impact as other amphetamines. When u add a group of this atom and that to a substance it's something new and can have zero to detrimental effects on health.

Also ritalin works differently on AD(H)D sufferers than on people without the affliction so it's likely that health risks differ on that group too. Besides it's not like ritalin has no health risks on AD(H)D people. The benefits just outweigh the risks.