276 Reply by Golk (edited by Golk 05-Sep-2008 23:59:07)

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lol no I won't answer Newb, obviously he skipped a couple posts in there and was a bit trigger-happy (and drunk perhaps?) tongue

As for the last things posted by Soth and Yell, here's my take about the debate, a forecast that might change depending on the events to come (mainly Palin's behaviour/reception)...

Palin/Biden:
- Palin comes in really calm and to the point, well prepared, does not go out of her prepared answers except for a couple of nicely timed very efficient attacks (mostly with a smile).
- Biden comes in with clear instructions to behave, makes his experience work for him, but cannot avoid to answer attacks/opinions with a condescending attitude.
Result: Palin comes out on top; people don't really remember content but find it difficult to forgive the senator his attitude towards her. Sympathy win.

McCain/Obama:
- McCain, really comfortable, comes out as a politics veteran with clear principles and a will make an impression of control and solidity, attacks Obama on reality.
- Obama, in his element, makes a point to speak out "what people think", avoids any trap to be called a junior with a more-than-usual adult/serious figure (+ refuses fights), and calls for "bigger plans".
Result: Obama comes out on top; people will have a hard time judging the best content, but doubts against Obama's taxes will fade out and hope + the "think bigger" option will work.

In my opinion, these debates will not necessarily mean a victory for any of the tickets - as fighting on the ground in key states will prove more relevant - but that's how I see it happening.
(Note that the resultof the first debate is obviously able to change attitudes in the second one.)

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man i have to add Obama has gotten quite better on debates, he's a fast learner tongue

but Golk, this is my opinion on Palin, i don't think she can handle the first debate which is only a couple of weeks from now.. the McCain campaign doesn't even feel comfy right now to take her of the written speeches she reads of the tele-prompter

even though they probably and already have some high level coaches working on it, i don't think she'll be able to do much
and she's guna be under a lot of pressure, and she really hasn't done anything on her own yet, she might have trouble

again your opinion is different..me personaly..i'm just doubtfull of her

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wth has obama done without teleprompters? everybody noticed how weak he was at Saddleback, and Biden is just a bully.  Her teleprompter broke during her speech and she adlibbed part of it.  Besides what are the odds Biden can get through a debate without being a dumbass?

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hmm, he takes about 10 press questions everyday, he's sat down for interviews, what 15-20 times, maybe more?
He has been involved in debates, what 20 times?

c'mon saddleback was a JOKE, a hall of people including the host who prayed to McCain, and had opposite views to EVER Obama policy, but still he was smart enough to change the answer so that it would look at the bigger picture and wouldn't alienate all the people in that hall

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yikes  that logic is above my pay grade tongue

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LMFAAOOOOO

finally something funny from you yell tongue

i hope you didn't steal that from someone...

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Steal that line? who do you think I am, Joe Biden?

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Oprah won't have Palin on her show

she supports Obama but hasn't had him on the show since 2006

she says she wants to be impartial

I say compromise, fit her in

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Oprah should go on the trail again

now she can turn all her viewers into obama voters, and BTW i heard palin speak today, i think they fired the voice coach

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her ratings fell through the floor when she promoted Obama over Hillary

heh good thing McCain doesn't watch Boondocks

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@Gladiator

Yep, different opinions. Remember that the (v)presidential debates are not "real" debates where you fight it off. You express your views, then the other, it's all very polite. I'm not afraid at all about Palin gaffing. I mean she sure has some geography to learn obviously, but on many domestic matters I expect her to be adequate and even more credible than Biden. (Not talking issues but raw credibility.)

Again, though, I think this is not the point but as I and Yell stated, if Biden can get out of it accepting a draw and controlling his reactions. It's about who will touch people most.

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oh come on, maybe in the 1970s

"Senator, you're no jack kennedy"

"Just like Dick Cheney, whose daughter is gay"

can't wait for the latest stupidity

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lol have to say this will create some big expectations big_smile

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u guys hear Biden yesterday on the trail???


wwwwwwwwwheewwww, the man turned all red, and scared half the people he was talking to

some serious shit big_smile... now that was what you call a pitbull tongue

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Palins Theme song: Baracuda
McCains Theme song: I am the Warrior
Obama's Theme song: Losing my religion
Bidens Theme song: White Nerdy Boy

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The latest devleopments are really hilarious.

While she's being trained to face interviews, the McCain campaign can say they won't expose her to national media now because... of the media attitude's towards her so far!

I just don't know why some people did not get the genius of that VP pick big_smile

Some irony also in the fact that the latest McCain ad (Alsaka Maverick) is all about... media quotes (good ones for Palin, bad ones for Obama). lol

Meanwhile, Obama's camp is still focused on showing that the republicans did not adress the middle class and give ammunition to that great line said somewhere this week that could do some good in a TV ad: "She IS the middle class". Some dems are starting to try and point out that the McCain camp is using the controversy, but that's a real minefield.

What a mess...
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Einstein

i am REALLY glad, you mentioned the songs

the people who actually sung Baracuda, made a public announcement saying they were furious when they used their songs, and then sent an email to McCain campaign as well, asking them to stop using their songs

this has happened about 5 times now, only with the McCain campaign---- talk about embarrasing

while when Obama used only in america, after his speech a song that was a republican anthem back a little while, the people who sung it, actually sent a message to Obama's campaign saying how proud they were that all americans can relate to the song and that they were very excited to see it be played for so many people, after such a great speech tongue

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and Golk, people know that the whole not talking to the media and their excuse for it is pure BULL SHIT tongue
the media is offended tongue they're guna be playing it over and over again, and the people are guna catch on
however, the republicans will really see it as the media treating her bad, possibly making her more stronger in their views
but this isn't a big appeal to independents really, and anyone who hasn't chosen a candidate and is still open

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293 Reply by windowsME (edited by windowsME 06-Sep-2008 16:59:02)

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oh wow, song artists like obama... I'm changing my vote.   :-p

"the media is offended" - who cares? It's not like any of them other than fox were ever going to say anything good about her anyway tongue


PS - Republican national convention had a larger TV audience than the DNC... *snicker* who knows how to party now? :-p

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294 Reply by Gladiator (edited by TheYell 06-Sep-2008 18:57:30)

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winME you might have not noticed but we're not talking about issues anymore...we're talking about plain stupid [krapp]  that i care about wink tongue

and i only mentioned the song thing cuz, of Einstein's post,
hehe there he was trying to be funny with the candidates songs, and then BAM..the people who wrote the song don't even want them using it, emabarrasssinggg:D



yes most the media won't say much good about her, provided all the controversies, but who do you think independents listen to for news?
do you really think it's fox? cuz it's not big_smile, and that's great for obama big_smile

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295 Reply by Newb (edited by Newb 06-Sep-2008 17:58:50)

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> windowsME wrote:

> oh wow, song artists like obama... I'm changing my vote.   :-p

"the media is offended" - who cares? It's not like any of them other than fox were ever going to say anything good about her anyway tongue


PS - Republican national convention had a larger TV audience than the DNC... *snicker* who knows how to party now? :-p
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Oh yeah, we pwned the convention.

Democrats made a new record for most watched.... then Republicans pounded it so flat as to defy logic.

Obama had no real bounce, McCain is bouncing right now.


Oh and Palin is outdoing Obama for most liked already tongue

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" Watching television is partying!?"

I was referring to both political conventions. big_smile

LOL
I also watched the RNC.
I've NEVER watched either party's national conventions...ever, until then.
I don't think I"ve watched any Canadian ones either.

Otherwise I agree with you on  your post above wink

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298 Reply by windowsME (edited by windowsME 06-Sep-2008 19:43:36)

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Newb - that was quoting gladiator earlier :-p

Glad - They watch it about as much as they watch CNN if not more - simple stats there :-p

"All the controversies" - mm hmmm

As to this being about non-issues... true... but unfortunate on all sides tongue

And is that really so embarrassing? I was unaware... I feel as though I can never show my face in public again... Heart has made me ashamed... (still mildly funny, i won't lie... you'll see why in a second smile) You should look at and think about this line, probably from the same article:

"Despite the Wilson sisters' objections, one of the song's co-writers said he was "thrilled" that the song was used. "
A) all proper licensing was met - making them sell outs who thought more about money than about their right to reject the use of their material later down the line wink (funny)
B) who cares what bands think wink
C) for those who do, the guitarist is stoked anyway - the wilson sisters are the pissy ones, not the band :-p

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299 Reply by Gladiator (edited by TheYell 06-Sep-2008 21:33:43)

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umm before i read all the other comments

do you know why you guys recieved around 200K more viewers?

it was because of the NFL opener, the viewers stayed tuned in, i'll try to look for the CNN study [] tongue on youtube, but they had it playing yesterday tongue

i'm not saying all the viewers were carried over to the RNC aswell, but a significant portion were, there was no big event before the DNC that would give the DNC final speech more viewers

and how is it a better party, where one convention had packed a footbal stadium with 80K people, had REAL fireworks, and the other convention had 100 white men who thought they could dance, dancing to a song the singers didn't want them using while they watched fake fireworks on a slide show tongue



"Obama had no real bounce, McCain is bouncing right now."
polls don't mean jack [] tongue, but if you're guna talk about them, after the speech 4 different polls, showed Obama go from a either tie or 1 point lead to a 8-9 point lead

"Oh and Palin is outdoing Obama for most liked already "
whered you get this from Einstein? or are you making [] up again? tongue


and winME offcourse, the licensing was met, it's just funny cuz the actual people who sung it, hate mccain tongue
and this has happened about 5 times in this campaign/election year,---and as long as we're talking about songs, Obama has his own song with the hottest singers/actresses big_smile what does McCain have?
Obama's a PIMP tongue -- he has his own sexy Obama girl big_smile, has connections with countless celebrities(actual celebrities from this generation) -- you have to admit he's a likeable guy, and well McCain really isn't  tongue

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lol, you have to have celebrity friends to be likable? I'll be danged... I bet there are a lot of war veterans who like McCain... what do you think about that? wink  As to Obama's minions - that's what happen when mostly young, stupid people like you, what can I say? (not that you are young and stupid, just that he appeals to that group... and don't even act like you don't think most people our age aren't stupid wink)

As to the football game - it may have pulled some viewers, but lets be honest - it didn't pull that many :-p - those people could have easily changed the channel or gone on with life - as most people do :-p

Point stands regardless - record broken, laughter had, life is amusing smile

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