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Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

Golk this is great for democrats now

remember the days when the media and republicans accused obama of keeping out the issues of the people, well guess what it's the other way around now, infact now Republicans are continuing to say, looking at speeches last night, that Obama is a celebrity and stuff like that
however, Obama clearly addressed the issues, and has been addressing them on the trail, and now they got proof Republicans wanna take this away from issues, his top advisors are helping again tongue

now when it comes to debates, guess what Obama/biden are guna use, they got GREAT, INCREDIBLE quotes from his advisors, other republicans and he himself

and as far as Palin goes, Obama has again shown his intelligence, he himself has not said anything about Palin, if he was stupid(like McCain wink) he would've attacked Palin, but that would start a conflict between them and McCain would have a chance to float over them

as far as i see it, and again this is my opinion, i don't think Palin will be able to make a significant change, women democrats, the one that are known atleast, have gone out HARD against people who choose just because of a women, and this has recieved a lot of media coverage... i don't think McCain can distance himself from Bush, i don't think he can afford to be all about issues, cuz then BAM along come the 95% voting record counters..if he does too many attacks, BAM he's back to old politics, something Obama has captured and injected into the minds of millions tongue
and since it's all about politics here now, i'm not guna bother defend Obama and proove how he really is different
all i'm guna say is, he is seen as that different guy, which is great ... and the republicans aren't having much luck tryina proove that he isn't and McCain/Palin are -- I don't think Palin can strengthen the Change message,

what i really wanna know is, who was behind Obama's replay message of Change, cuz it's damn good marketing tongue -- i should know --
it's the best technique in the market... replay something over and over and over and over and over and over again, and no matter what your competitors/opponents do, it won't change a thing -- funny how the democrats used the smart marketing/business skills tongue
while McCain has been changing slogans and such all throughout, sometimes it's maverick, straight talk express, old man tongue, and now it's Country first or sum like that --- that is about the worst thing you can do in marketing(sending mix messages) -- whether people realize it or not, if you say change, the first thing they'll think of is Obama! -- and that is smart POLITICS


and Newb it wasn't Obama who brought in Paris hilton and Britney spears into politics, taking it away from issues, because they have to..

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I never said/implied that sensationalism is derived from the extreme left.
I did say that they did use such with Palin.

The Repub strats probably knew the Dem's sheep would respond with sensationalism with the choosing of Palin but they didn't make them do so.
Mind you, many of my fellow Christians down there who are choosing the Repubs because of Palin now on the ticket appear to be unaware that McCain will probably only let her do some of her house cleansing but not all (though they'll try to make it appear that way).  So you could say they're sheep too, not just the Dem followers.

Regarding the mailers, if I understand correctly they were printed immediately after the first attacks from the Dems came out against her family.
And her time was probably so caught up in defending herself (and getting prepared to speak at the convention) that she probably didn't have time to cancel those mailers (unless they were already mailed out).
They and she should now publicly defend Obama on his proper response to attacks against her though!

Don't know what to make out of your last paragraph.

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Glad said "and Newb it wasn't Obama who brought in Paris hilton and Britney spears into politics, taking it away from issues, because they have to.."

The way those two were mentioned wasn't taking away from the issues.
They exemplified the issues in question.

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umm how does gathering including all the people that support him a bad thing?? that is what they were trying to imply..wasn't it?
how is it a bad thing to gather 200K people that can't even vote for you, last time i checked that's just incredible and if anything prooves Obama can regain respect from the world for America


anyways i forgot to mention in my another post, another GREAT accomplishment from obama's campaign is their website, it beats McCain's website(if he knows he has one) by a thousand miles... Obama has been great in using every resource out there, from facebook, to social sites even i haven't heard of tongue -- you have to admit, he knows how to run a campaign, just amazing... and believe it or not it has an impact on the election
not to mention Obama's photogenic, McCain looks like he's past his bed time, tongue

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@Gladiator
I agree to some of your remarks. The democrats mottos worked so well that we are seeing something without any precedent happening: a brutal inversion of the mechanics.
The republicans are now swimming in two zones that were democrat ones 1 week ago: stardom and change.

Of course Obama has shown great intelligence in avoiding the trap, but if the republicans don't push it, he and Biden will only be able to face it during the debate, and they are already being assimilated to the scandal, so it may do some harm meanwhile, at least to some extent.

And obviously the quote from Rick Davis is pure gold, even when both sides know it as a true statement: this is not anymore about issues.

As for Palin not making a significant change, this is already wrong. She did. She brought strength the "change" message, she consolidated the "mavericks" image (be ready to hear a lot of that) and she definitely won the sympathy of most undecided voters apart from consolidating the base.

Forget about the democrat women. This was a potential bonus, just as a sexist/scandal attack from Obama would have been. The goal is to seduce undecided, and she did (ask or read around).
I don't imply they won them over to the point of voting for her. But an impact? Hell she did score, and the strategy was sound.

The "issues" thing won't last so long I believe. McCain will get to it. The question is in my opinion: will Obama/Biden be able to be as powerful personality-wise as he was this spring, and can McCain/Palin work as an image of "maverick reformers close to the people" effectively the full 60 days? Palin really is key, because if she starts to look too powerful or too fragile, she will endanger the ticket and damage the personality vote she got, which in turn would kill her biggest force against Biden. If they pull it out, they will distance themselves clearly from Bush.

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Obama coded his website himself!
From a blackberry!
He almsot didn't become president but he thought Sid Meier was a total controlnazi!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
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257 Reply by Theodora (edited by Theodora 05-Sep-2008 05:13:17)

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Out of all the republican candidates, Mc Cain was my favourite and I was happy when he won. I prefer Obama mind you, but I liked McCain. Must be that old war vet charm.


I don't like Palin.

First off, I don't understand why a big deal is being made over the fact that she didn't abort a child with down syndrome. I believe a big deal should have been made had she aborted the child, because that would have been a horrible decision to make, not because it would be an abortion, but because of what it would indicate about a person's moral compass that they would carry a normal child, but not one with a disability.

Secondly, she has no experience. Now you can go ahead and claim she was a governor for 2 years and try to argue about how much she gained from that, but the simple fact is, she was a governor of Alaska, and 2 years running Alaska counts for very little. No offense to any Alaskans on the forum, but your state is small potatoes. Reproduce some more and your civil servants might actually have some important work to do.

Thirdly, her 17 year old daughter is pregant. In short, she's a terrible mother and if she can't even look after her own family, I question her ability to guide a country. Unwanted teenage pregnancies should not happen and the parent is always to blame. They either failed to instill the proper morals and values in the child, did not provide them with sexual education, did not provide them with contraceptives from an early age and did not foster an open, supportive relationship with their child that would have prevented it.

Fourth, I disagree with most of her positions.

Fifth, the fact that she's corrupt doesn't help.

And finally...there's something just a bit loony about someone who supports educating youths about gun safety, but not about sex.


Her position on sex education however, does help explain why her 17-year-old is pregnant.

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Theo,

Can I have your number? Plz???

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Alaska is one of the most interesting states to govern

1) Largest border area

2) Most complicated to traverse terrain

3) Has some of the most important early reaction military bases

4) Has oil, lots of it

5) Had been under the thumb of some hard core politicians, I heard first hand the stories about them from the guy who ran the Red Cross up there

6) Is on the front line against Environmental Nazi's, a hard place to be.

7) A destination for many many tourists

8) A wealth giving program from oil profits



Palin also has these credentials:

1) Fought incumbents successfully at every turn

2) Fought corruption of the highest levels, and won

3) Is a mother of 5


You make the insult that a mother cannot lead, and 1 million mothers change their votes

You make the insult that a small town mayor cannot lead, and 1 million small town voters get ready to vote

You make the insult that she lacks experience, and then get shown her experience wins for sure against yours.

You make an insult that she should not have coverage cause of her baby's birth, and 1 million parents of mentally disabled children vote for her

You make any steps, and it only gains McCain a million votes per a step.



Your best discourse should be to ignore her. It's the only way to succeed against her.


She is the future, she will decide this election. Resistance is futile!

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And what are her negative points? or is she just this oh so perfect candidate that can do no wrong?

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Her negative point, in my opinion, is plain simple: she stands on a very thin fence where she can play on both her "realness" as a modest american mother and as a powerful reformer.

The good news is, it's a point where it's virtually impossible to attack her in a politically correct world.

The bad news is, she slips (or is pushed) just slightly on one of the sides:
- power side: virtually a Clinton figure, and will be slammed from all part without the benefit of looking like a good mother anymore (this would just hurt her, and could happen)
- modest side: virtually a real "Hockey Mom", and a real hockey mom is not going to become vice-president (this would hurt the ticket, but I'd say it's unlikely to happen)

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262 Reply by Gladiator (edited by Gladiator 05-Sep-2008 12:50:18)

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nope... Golk the fact is she isn't really an attacking politician, she was helped for that speech, no one is guna be helping her at debates
personally i was afraid, Obama might start a war of wards against her, but he's smart enough not to...he prooved it
Biden will have no problem, attacking Palin, and if people say it's sexist, guess who's guna come out and defend Biden/Obama
Hillary and all her correspondent supporters, so far they've been doing a great job


and yell, i didn't say he designed it tongue, it's his campaign offcourse, and it's effective, HIS campaign runs smoothly, they've BARELY had anything bad caused by his campaign, he's running a tight..well organized ship..McCain frankly is not, just look at the "mis-spoken words" from McCain's campaign and his advisors, there is tons of them


and golk, i just got one thing to say to respond to your other post
it took 19 months to form that change message for Obama, you saw it EVERYWHERE, and i mean everywhere
from underwears to big flags to shirts to rally boards
this can NOT be stolen from Obama in 60 days, there is no chance of it ESPECIALLY if the republicans continue doing what they are doing right now... sending mixed messages ---what is the one word you heard in EVERY democratic speech? - change
what is the one word you heard in Every republican speech(atleast the ones i watched)? - Obama and change tongue

if they wanna take the Change issue, you don't mention your opponent..cuz then that even subliminally tells the voters, oh you're just tryina be what he is.. tongue and that's devastating

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"the fact is she isn't really an attacking politician"
Nobody cares what she is, election-wise. It's about what she will appear to be in the coming 60 days.

"Biden will have no problem, attacking Palin, and if people say it's sexist, guess who's guna come out and defend Biden/Obama"
I don't think it's important what people say, but how people will feel after what they know/saw, if he belittles her. Let's wait and see. Clinton has no point in defending, she plays only the "strong" card.

"this can NOT be stolen from Obama in 60 days"
You're right, but that's not the point. They don't need to campaign under it, if they can borrow the hype word to show they're not Bush it's enough, and it's dismantling Obama's camp other motto.

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/me jumps around like the Easter bunny


/me bites a carrot and Golk's pinky toe

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Biden on Obama: "For the first time they have a clean, articulate African-American in a primary race"

he's a doofus and everybody is waiting for him to screw up in front of Palin

the debates are going to show Obama and Biden as total idiots

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obama cant speak extemporaneously worth crap as was proved in his town hall talks.  the debates are going to tear him apart.  And if he actually says what he wants to do then the informed voter will realize he is just taking the same flawed left-wing crap and calling it change!

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> Gladiator wrote:

> anyways i forgot to mention in my another post, another GREAT accomplishment from obama's campaign is their website, it beats McCain's website(if he knows he has one) by a thousand miles... Obama has been great in using every resource out there, from facebook, to social sites even i haven't heard of tongue -- you have to admit, he knows how to run a campaign, just amazing... and believe it or not it has an impact on the election
not to mention Obama's photogenic, McCain looks like he's past his bed time, tongue
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WHAT I GUESS THIS MIGHT BOIL DOWN TO IS THIS:

Do I want a political leader who looks good, sounds good, advertises himself/herself well, knows how to keep in touch the quickest with his/her consituents (or their representatives), etc
BUT WHO mostly DOESN'T DO ANYTHING OF WORTH FOR HIS/HER PEOPLE

or

Do I want a political leader who looks ugly, sounds horrible, is a pathetic advertiser, is behind the times in relation to technology, etc
BUT WHO mostly DOES DO THINGS OF WORTH FOR HIS/HER PEOPLE?

...that's the question of difference boiled down here.

I obviously prefer option 1A to be mixed with 2B, but that seems to rarely happen.

VOTE Palin/McCain for POSITIVE Change you can BELIEVE in!!! wink

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> Theodora wrote:

> I don't like Palin.

Secondly, she has no experience. Now you can go ahead and claim she was a governor for 2 years and try to argue about how much she gained from that, but the simple fact is, she was a governor of Alaska, and 2 years running Alaska counts for very little. No offense to any Alaskans on the forum, but your state is small potatoes. Reproduce some more and your civil servants might actually have some important work to do.
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What the job of mayor involved for Sarah Palin IN HER OWN WORDS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqNXXvSjfA
super short version ^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw1U971xzcQ
the rest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flhQz_85w14&feature=related
the completion of the rest

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> Big Papa Pringles wrote:

> And what are her negative points? or is she just this oh so perfect candidate that can do no wrong?
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Palin's negative points are:
1)  she might be too gullible of what McCain will tell her
2)  she won't be perfect 100% of the time...70% will be good enough for me until the political options to her are higher than that

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> Listos wrote:

> /me jumps around like the Easter bunny


/me bites a carrot and Golk's pinky toe

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i would've never thought someone on this forum listens to the game ..brraaap big_smile

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that's Lil Wayne, son tongue

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> Newb wrote:

> > Gladiator wrote:

> anyways i forgot to mention in my another post, another GREAT accomplishment from obama's campaign is their website, it beats McCain's website(if he knows he has one) by a thousand miles... Obama has been great in using every resource out there, from facebook, to social sites even i haven't heard of tongue -- you have to admit, he knows how to run a campaign, just amazing... and believe it or not it has an impact on the election
not to mention Obama's photogenic, McCain looks like he's past his bed time, tongue
_______________________________________________________________________________
WHAT I GUESS THIS MIGHT BOIL DOWN TO IS THIS:

Do I want a political leader who looks good, sounds good, advertises himself/herself well, knows how to keep in touch the quickest with his/her consituents (or their representatives), etc
BUT WHO mostly DOESN'T DO ANYTHING OF WORTH FOR HIS/HER PEOPLE

or

Do I want a political leader who looks ugly, sounds horrible, is a pathetic advertiser, is behind the times in relation to technology, etc
BUT WHO mostly DOES DO THINGS OF WORTH FOR HIS/HER PEOPLE?

...that's the question of difference boiled down here.

I obviously prefer option 1A to be mixed with 2B, but that seems to rarely happen.

VOTE Palin/McCain for POSITIVE Change you can BELIEVE in!!! wink






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OMG, Golk you wanna respond to this??
i thought you guys agreed it wasn't issues anymore..so i made my case on [barf] that isn't related to issues tongue
maybe you weren't part of that chat Newb, i think it was mostly just with Golk, so either follow up the whole thread or don't step in like that, and make me waste time posting this tongue

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oh you're talking about the one in "phone home" listos
i was thinking of it in "My life" by game

they both have the same line big_smile ... i like "My life" better... it has wayne in it too tongue

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> Gladiator wrote:

> > Newb wrote:

> > Gladiator wrote:

> anyways i forgot to mention in my another post, another GREAT accomplishment from obama's campaign is their website, it beats McCain's website(if he knows he has one) by a thousand miles... Obama has been great in using every resource out there, from facebook, to social sites even i haven't heard of tongue -- you have to admit, he knows how to run a campaign, just amazing... and believe it or not it has an impact on the election
not to mention Obama's photogenic, McCain looks like he's past his bed time, tongue
_______________________________________________________________________________
WHAT I GUESS THIS MIGHT BOIL DOWN TO IS THIS:

Do I want a political leader who looks good, sounds good, advertises himself/herself well, knows how to keep in touch the quickest with his/her consituents (or their representatives), etc
BUT WHO mostly DOESN'T DO ANYTHING OF WORTH FOR HIS/HER PEOPLE

or

Do I want a political leader who looks ugly, sounds horrible, is a pathetic advertiser, is behind the times in relation to technology, etc
BUT WHO mostly DOES DO THINGS OF WORTH FOR HIS/HER PEOPLE?

...that's the question of difference boiled down here.

I obviously prefer option 1A to be mixed with 2B, but that seems to rarely happen.

VOTE Palin/McCain for POSITIVE Change you can BELIEVE in!!! wink






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OMG, Golk you wanna respond to this??
i thought you guys agreed it wasn't issues anymore..so i made my case on [barf] that isn't related to issues tongue
maybe you weren't part of that chat Newb, i think it was mostly just with Golk, so either follow up the whole thread or don't step in like that, and make me waste time posting this tongue
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I had followed up.
Do you think you two were the only ones at odds on this? tongue

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well your post doesn't seem to show you followed up

it's PURELY non issue related --our discussion i mean-- so yeh

he/you guys asked for it so i spat it out

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