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WFS never said it wasn't wrong. He said he didn't consider it criminal. And he's right. In most cases, it isn't criminal and a criminal suit isn't filed (civil suits are far more likely).

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but here is the problem.  egging is vandalism and vandalism is a crime.

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78 (edited by Theodora 05-Sep-2008 16:00:01)

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If you don't get convicted of a criminal offense in court, you're not a criminal. It really is as simple as that. Egging cases don't tend to go to criminal court because they're not serious enough instances to warrant a criminal trial.

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"WFS never said it wasn't wrong. He said he didn't consider it criminal. And he's right. In most cases, it isn't criminal and a criminal suit isn't filed (civil suits are far more likely)."

neither did he admit the kid was wrong either (don't talk civil vs criminal to me because I just want you to admit the kid is wrong).

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Who cares if he didn't admit the kid was wrong? There's no reason every person who comes into this thread has to say, "The kid was wrong." What he is saying is that he doesn't feel the kid is a criminal and that he thinks Flint is loony if he believes that the kid deserved what he got. There's no need for him to state the kid was wrong in order to disagree with the statement that "The kid is a criminal" and/or "The kid deserved it."

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this clause you keep putting into your posts theodora "it can be considered a crime"  means that probably is.  yes some cases of egging dont necissarily result in major damage but that is only if the victim knows what an egg will do to there car and clean it off right away.  but the vast majority of people dont know that so it will damage the car and it is vandalism.

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82 (edited by Theodora 05-Sep-2008 16:11:14)

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"If you don't get convicted of a criminal offense in court, you're not a criminal. It really is as simple as that. Egging cases don't tend to go to criminal court because they're not serious enough instances to warrant a criminal trial."

I don't see that clause anywhere.

Unless you're being stupid, and you're referring to my interpretations of what other people think. In which case saying WFS considers this situation this way and Einstein considers this situation that away is acceptable. I'm assuming they do believe their respective viewpoints to be the case (else we wouldn't have a disagreement).

In any event, I consider 1 + 1 to equal 2. I consider the sky here in London Ontario to be cloudy at the moment and my shoes to be black. I consider your point to be idiotic. Oh wait...according to you...that means it is. Damn...I've created a paradox!

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> Theodora wrote:

> If you don't get convicted of a criminal offense in court, you're not a criminal. It really is as simple as that. Egging cases don't tend to go to criminal court because they're not serious enough instances to warrant a criminal trial.


"Egging cases don't tend to go to criminal court"  but they do

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Damaging ones property is considered as vandalism and if given into the police for research could lead to a criminal case.

But really, shooting one would go as selfjustice and considered in most countries illegal.

Or am i wrong?

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85 (edited by Simon 05-Sep-2008 16:23:33)

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So far I agree. Admitting the fact that the kid was wrong is very important however. It puts all of us on common ground. No one other than Flint is saying "the kid deserved it" and since when is Flint's "loony" talk is a point to dwell upon?

(no offense Flint)

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> Z3us wrote:

> Damaging ones property is considered as vandalism and if given into the police for research could lead to a criminal case.

But really, shooting one would go as selfjustice and considered in most countries illegal.

Or am i wrong?
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your right Zeus but that isnt the point.  BOTH parties were wrong and probably both criminal.  no one should defend either side.

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"Egging cases don't tend to go to criminal court"  but they do


Naturally. Egging a human being is aggravated assault.

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lol theo your just running around in a circle biting your tail tongue

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89 (edited by Theodora 05-Sep-2008 16:33:34)

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No. Not all cases of egging involve cars. Some involve windows. Others involve people. Amusing anecdote: A british minister punched a farmer who egged him.

You have to learn about the issue tongue

Saying egging cases don't go to criminal court would be incorrect. Some do. It depends on the facts. Who or what was egged (people, windows, cars etc.)? What was the motive (e.g. prank, revenge, intent to harm etc.)? The number of occurrences (one-time, every year at Halloween, every day etc.)?



I try to keep things in perspective when I write my posts and not make grand sweeping statements like Einstein and co.

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but we are not talking about all egging cases in existance but rather a single type of egging that caused this incident.  so what are arguing is not a sweeping statement.  its only talking about the egging of a car which we all know damages the car and is vandalism therefore egging a car is a crime.  Thank you wink

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91 (edited by Theodora 05-Sep-2008 16:39:47)

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No...that's what you were talking about.

My statement, "Egging cases don't tend to go to court" was quite general. If you derived a specific type of egging from that, you need to go back to school my friend.

Don't try to tell me what I was talking about you presumptive silly man. Had I meant car eggings, I would have specifically stated car eggings.

You further went on to presume that my first reply was in direct response to you. It wasn't. You were talking about vandalism and some such. I clarified a general point I thought people misunderstood about the nature of criminality and how it related to egging in general.

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I would hang the shooter Nolio, hands down, no friggin problem with it...

I never said the shooter was validated... in fact I called him a criminal several times.


Regardless pranks are damaging in some manner to others. This is the nature of pranks. They are designed to do something, and acknowledge in the name, harmful to others.


Pranks are NOT COOL, except to people who are evil in their heart.

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It's just not criminal. Like Theo said, it's wrong, but not criminal

We all did things like that, and it's natural for puberty-stuck teens to test their boundaries. No judge would condemn you for such a thing (or at least, in a healthy nation that wouldn't happen) thus it's not criminal.
Teenagers should ba allowed to do some pranks, and it can be annoying, but that's it's part of growing up. As long as it doesn't really harm anyone I don't see why it's such a problem.. If your country doesn't see it like that, I think you're very close to a sort of fascist state..
For me, it's very much similar to a playground fight among 2 children, it happens, and it's part of growing up.

You should be bloody glad youngsters go out and have fun rather than sitting behind a computer gorging crisps the entire day with such a high obsity rate as the USA tongue


A right way to deal with this is making the kid wash that lad's car a few times..


"Pranks are NOT COOL, except to people who are evil in their heart."

So, that makes 95% of the population evil at heart?

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theo we were talking about car egging i assumed you would be able to follow a simple conversation and not confuse the topic.

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95 (edited by Theodora 05-Sep-2008 16:43:16)

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No...that's what you were talking about.

My statement, "Egging cases don't tend to go to court" was quite general. If you derived a specific type of egging from that, you need to go back to school my friend.

Don't try to tell me what I was talking about you presumptive silly man. Had I meant car eggings, I would have specifically stated car eggings.

You further went on to presume that my first reply was in direct response to you. It wasn't. You were talking about vandalism and some such. I clarified a general point I thought people misunderstood about the nature of criminality and how it related to egging in general.


I mean honestly...if you can't follow that, maybe you need to learn how to follow a conversation. smile



I don't quite get why you're persisting. You were wrong. It was pointed out to you where you were wrong. The point you were wrong about was clarified so you would be able to understand it. So where's the current problem?


Edit: Back to class.

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96 (edited by Soth 05-Sep-2008 16:49:23)

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perhaps i did make a mistake in the interpretation of your posts.  I should have taken the immediate assumption that you did not read anything before your post and were just spouting egging cases in an attempt to validate whatever point you were trying to prove. 

but the fact of the matter still stands (which is why im right) both parties were wrong and both parties can be considered criminal. 

now how do you not understand that?  or are brains passed out upside down in canadia?

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Soth, don't attack people personally, you tit tongue

it all comes down to this: what do you understand with "criminal"?
For me, it means that you can be found guilty in court (not the judge Huly kind, that's just plain silly), wich is totally different from egging, wich usually is solved by calling the lad's parents or something similar..

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98 (edited by Soth 05-Sep-2008 17:03:07)

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read theo's post too if your going to say i made a personal attack tongue

perhaps i should do like you do alan and put a smilie face at the end of an attack to negate the negative wink

whats wrong is wrong there is no other correct stance so i do not see what yall are arguing about?

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"It's just not criminal. Like Theo said, it's wrong, but not criminal"

thank you.

and no, it's not part of growing up. boundaries don't need to be tested. they can be taught. You've just agreed, that egg throwing is wrong. If right and wrong can be taught to kids then the factor in "testing the boundaries" is eliminated. You were also wrong in that "everyone did it". no. I respect other people's property.

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WOW, ISN'T IT AMAZING THAT AN EGG CAN CREATE THIS MUCH LOVE IN THE ROOM?
We should egg every leader of all the other nations of the world!!!
THE WAY TO WORLD PEACE!
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