i agree with biefstruket in all his propositions. he makes a lot more sense than some other people here. you should never invade a country and if you do you shouldn't go looking out for civilians. in a war there will be casualties, but you have to choose do you want your own men to die or the men of the enemy. it seems that as the years go on the west seems to lose the idea of war. really there will be war as long as there is one person on the planet who is crazy enough to go hurt soemone else based on simple made up beleifs.

good job beif....

BTW if iran becomes that much of a threat, go bomb everything used for transportation and then bomb all communication like television and radio. then bomb military installations. this will make the people realize that they need to overthrow their government because there is nothing they can do to fight the bombs coming from the sky.

why go to all the expense of bombing everything or invading...

use their culture against them....

just need some over sized crop dusters...or some custom made bombs/bombers...

start mass spraying pigs blood across their countryside....

1) any person in contact with it automatically will never go see Allah...and may be stoned to death by those not touched by the pigs blood

2) all the crops would instantly be burned BY the Iranians

3) They would destroy (first washing, then burning, then leveling) any/all buildings that have been doused in pigs blood for fear of coming into contact with people.

4) essentially making them think their water supplies are utterly toxic cause it got a few parts per million of pigs blood in it....again, making it where they dont get to see Allah and get all those virgins.

btw, why the hell would you want 70 virgins? They dont know anything about sex. Give me 70 women that know how to do the kinky stuff.

i agree with bief...the west's "good guy" routine isnt working. its time they realized that war is war and you have to do whatever you have to do to win with minimum casualties and minimum money spent.

There is some truth of history to what TMK said about the pigs blood.

The muslims held and uprising in the American Territory, the Phillipeans circe 1880. It was put down by General "Black Jack" Pershing, who eventually led the war vs Mexico/Poncho Villa and was the Supreme Allied Commander in WWI.

After a very bloody uprising was put down in which the muslims slaughtered many people in their homes asleep or those that declined to profess Islam. He ordered the muslims that were involved in the uprising up those, tied them to stakes, soaked thier executioners bullets in pigs blood, shot and killed all but one whom left with the story to go back and tell the other muslims, that the bodies were covered with pigs blood and burried in mass graves with the slaughters swine.

After this attempted uprising, there was not another muslim attack on anyone for 42 years.

I believe that shows how serious muslims are to enter paradiase, so it's a story for even now in this age to respect that intense desire and thus act with a measure of understanding with the Al Quaeda trained militants. I'd suggest weapons suppliers to the US army begin to supply the American Military, and Iraqi Police with pig laidened bullets.. such any insurgent killed, or even touched by them would not be able to enter paradiase. Those remains that we collect, should not be turned over to families for some parade funeral whereby the militants can rally support over the fallen, but buried in mass graves with swine by products.

It would make things very difficult for the insurgents to recruit people to fight a war they could loose their souls to damnation.

Now how that would relate to Iran, is it would undermine the efforts they have been supporting in Iraq, thus aiding the process of bringing peace to those to truely do want it (The Iraqi's and Americans). It would also send a message to the hardliners in Iran that their actions will have the consequence to them people they are trying to rally into this fervor that there is not a "happy ending" where they will enter paradiase. Infact, any suicide bombers remains should be covered in pigs blood and whatever remains we fine buried with swine for all eternity.

And in all of this, I would honestly feel remorse for those people that would have to fire the bullets, burry the bodies that they knowningly damned a soul to hell. Killing and this business is a very sad experience. But it were to bring peace, hope, life and an end to this wrongful jihad.. I believe they would someday have a measure of pride knowning that they were the line in the sand versus this evil that exists in this modern day world.

"B) No one nation has any right to disarm another nation."

Any nation ruled by a religious theocracy which believes it has a role to play in bringing about the apocalyptic conditions necessary for the return of the 12th Imam is an exception.

thinking of it what gives america the right to have nuclear weapons but no other country when USA are more likely to use them than any other country.

and I Personaly dispise america for dragging us into these pointless war and as a result them and there incidents of "Friendly Fire"  by saying i dispise america i do not mean the people but a select minority who believes there is still something to gain from these wars i mean if u look back what war has america ever won and dont even attempt to say WWII because you only came into the big battle late and yes you may talk about perl harbour but meeeh not a whole war and i mean your war tactics failed against vietnam so i hate to think what would happen if you went to war with Iran.

but thats just my short little brief opinion on it

i haven't read a single post her but.....
first of all at least he is trying to play the democratic way... this crazy bastard in Korea is just straight up nuts, and will when slightly provoked send missiles.
second we have it all over Iran,,, location. location. location, and he knows it... that why he is being diplomatic.

"Still I didn't see any real reason to invade Iran here. Nukes? You got nukes, so get rid of them and then ask them to as well. What else do you have to inavde a country and kill... 100.000 civilians(?) and then... I dunno...?"

shows how naive you are. do you think they will disarm their nukes just because america disarms it's nukes? do you think that china and russia will also disarm nukes? if america disarms their nukes, instability will be accross the world. the doomsday clock will move closer to midnight.

You shouldn''t stop the iranian nuclear program. The world needs more nuclear powerstations to rid ourselves of oil. there just needs to be UN diplomats in Iran who are making sure that any weapons aren't devloped.

""hell, they dont have regard for their own dam life."
Erm, then why did they offer to help the U.S. with Afghanistan and Afghanistan's drug problems? Obviously your sources are tainted, to say the least."

let me clarify. In the iran-iraq war in 1980s iran used waves of children to go clear the minefield with their bodies. and after the battle they went out and put keys around the childrens necks saying that those were the keys to open the gates of heaven. Do you think that is a country that has regard their own human life?

"Skoe, you act as though america is the worst country in the world. we americans gave blood and treasure in world war 2 for europe. then we spent billions in fighting soviet russia and defending europe. the same principles that we had 1950 the same principles we have today. we do have regard for human life. but it is rather foolish to march into a war having regard for human life and the other side doesnt have regard for your human life. hell, they dont have regard for their own dam life."

Yes, and thank you for doing it! However, it should be noted that both things were done mostly because North America needed (and needs) Europe as a trading partner.

"let me clarify. In the iran-iraq war in 1980s iran used waves of children to go clear the minefield with their bodies. and after the battle they went out and put keys around the childrens necks saying that those were the keys to open the gates of heaven. Do you think that is a country that has regard their own human life?"

That's horrible, indeed. But war in general is horrible. American questioning techniques are, Israelian attacks on Palestina are, American bombs with uranium heads (to be more penetrant in buildings) are a disgrace, suicide bombing is horrid, etc. The thing is that making more war triggers the baddest in humans, and invading Iran, will do too. If you don't invade them, those children won't be sacrificed. What the West should learn is that they're not the world's police. What we should do, is offer an alternative (democracy, respect for life and rights etc.), and support and protect groups striving for those morales with everything we can. Iran is an improving country, give it some time until the people there are ready to overthrow or change their government...

I'm not urging to do nothing, but war is not the answer in this situation. If you'd invade it, people will radicalize and turn against the Americans (as in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.). I hope they'd realise that by now...

Liberal minded politicians were not allowed to be part of the elections and you brush that aside by saying "Not a flawless one ofc (but there are no flawless ones)."

Stop kidding yourself.