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Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

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Hell yeah! If this chick wins PETA is gonna be jumping out of its 15th floor office windows!

I'd be pleased if she did replace McCain, she isn't a weasel like Romney, a man who ran agianst Kennedy by saying he didn't really like Ronald Reagan--remember that? I didn't back Romney ever.

I am glad McCain's weaselness will die with him, we maintain our conservative advance on the Party.  We'll have to fight for four years anyhow but now we got a VP!!

OBAMA is a huge risk, we know Obama is totally unworthy of office, he is a buffoon, his statements on foriegn policy have been a total joke, he has been wrong on Iraq and Iran "tough direct diplomacy that will stop Iran"  whaddya think we're doing???  Does he even know?  Georgia is invaded and he calls for Georgia to show restraint.

And Biden is a snarling nincompoop, he wanted to partition Iraq into ethnic states, he opposed the 1991 Gulf War--so much for his "expertise".

They've already done a flip-flop on Palin, at first they just said "zero experience"--From OBAMA??  Hillary showed him the way, congratulated Palin as an important voice but said she was wrong, Obama took his lesson well.  By November most Democrats are gonna regret not nominating Hillary...

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so again all you can come up with is political advantages, so you're just agreeing that this was definitely all for politics..and now we, you, analysts, republicans are having to sit there and come up with responses

very un-presidential like from McCain, frankly-very stupid, risky, he's just following his gut, and I don't think he listened to anyone but himself on this one

that's just opposite of what Obama did, again and again you see those personality/judgment differences between them

and we DO NOT need ANOTHER lone warrior type of guy in the white house, AGAIN
this just proves he McCain still has that attitude, and cares about no one but himself, and you republicans have to follow along and try to make excuses for him on the way

but hey, if you're happy with it, good luck big_smile
and as a analyst said last night "as a democrat, i couldn't be more happier, but as an American dad, husband and provider i'm petrified"

good luck at the convention...and gl topping 80 000+ people at the stadium, 38 million at home, and ratings and viewrs higher than the olympics, american idol finale, and the oscars big_smile

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Gladiator, are you seriously saying Obama chose Biden for the country?  Are you really serious?  Biden is opposite of Obama's theme of change, bright, and new.  Really?  How blindsighted could you be?  I would be surprised if McCain didn't choose Palin for political reasons.  We agree that it's a risk, but one that has surely brought the Republican base into the fold.  That's what you fail to recognize.  Up till yesterday, the Republicans were on edge and hesitant.  Now with Palin making a name for herself, the Republicans have finally united behind the banner and all McCain and Palin has to do is draw those undecided/Hillary voters into their fold.  It's a risk, yes, but he chose the best possible candidate.

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> I think this could, note I said could, seriously blow up in McCain's face.  While some women may be drawn to McCain for picking Palin other women, based on those I know most women, will see that he merely picked Palin to draw the female vote and they'll be right pissed seeing the move as patronizing.  It's not even that hard to see that Palin was picked primarily to get the female vote because while she certainly has experience there are more experienced candidates that could have been picked.
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And they wouldn't see the same thing regarding Hillary Clinton?
Wasn't that extremely patronizing?
Oh, and if they say that Hillary's different cuz her husband was already the President, then aren't these the same group of females who say that women should do things for society without the help of any man?
Sounds hypocritical don't you think?

And personally I don't see Palin being picked primarily because she'd get the female vote but rather because not only is she a Maverick, like McCain, but also that she already exemplifies true change in politics by having successfully narced on corrupt fellow Republicans...in other words, she'll do whatever it takes to make politics clean again, even if it means "attacking" those of her own party.
Now that takes guts...ever seen the movie "Erin Brockovich"?

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> Considering that Bill Clinton's a credentials prior to presidency were "governor of Arkansas," doesn't that mean "governor" is a legit credential to become in the executive branch?
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If obama was to make a choice like McCain's it would be Hillary Clinton
NOT because she's a women, because that would get him 18 million votes instantly...no questions asked
Obama chose biden because he can work with him, knows him, and Biden understands the country and has experience
something i can not say for Palin..sadly

EXACTLY IT IS A RISK!!!!!!...A BIG RISK..and i'm not talking about the election or the politics
McCain REALLY should have understood that he's a 4 time cancer survivor possibly heading into the white house as the oldest from all the presidents... HE REALLY should have been wiser and consider the possibility of him dying

YES she might be great for the election..but one thing she is not is ready OR better OR a less of a risk than ANY..ANY ..ANY of the other contenders for the VP slot

all i'm saying is McCain is only doing this for the election..which is NOT wise of him, especially given his medical history and age

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> I'd vote Obama if I were American, but gotta say, she seems like the perfect pick... obviously capable since she's a governor, will take some of the female vote, might get rid of some of the image problems regarding McCain's age, will definately get the religious vote (from that NY times article: "Ms. Palin is known to conservatives for opting not to have an abortion after learning that the child she was carrying, her youngest, had Down syndrome" <-- respect for that, bringing up a down syndrome child takes alot of energy). She's definately not hot though tongue

Clever campaign move, I wonder how this will play out
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If anyone else (except maybe Mike Huckabee) had been McCain's VP, I'd have grudgingly voted for Obama once he got Biden.
But now that Pulin is McCain's VP, I wish I were an American so I could vote for the Republicans!
She could be physically ugly for all I care (thank God, literally and figuratively, she's the opposite) since what really attracts me to her is that she lives out her Christianity, not just talks it.
She does this not only by not aborting her DS boy but also by narcing on corrupt fellow politicians, even from her own party.  Plus she does some other integrous things too! big_smile

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> If obama was to make a choice like McCain's it would be Hillary Clinton
NOT because she's a women, because that would get him 18 million votes instantly...no questions asked
Obama chose biden because he can work with him, knows him, and Biden understands the country and has experience
something i can not say for Palin..sadly

EXACTLY IT IS A RISK!!!!!!...A BIG RISK..and i'm not talking about the election or the politics
McCain REALLY should have understood that he's a 4 time cancer survivor possibly heading into the white house as the oldest from all the presidents... HE REALLY should have been wiser and consider the possibility of him dying

YES she might be great for the election..but one thing she is not is ready OR better OR a less of a risk than ANY..ANY ..ANY of the other contenders for the VP slot

all i'm saying is McCain is only doing this for the election..which is NOT wise of him, especially given his medical history and age
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Check out her track record.
She stands up for integrity in politics.
She lives it.
And she's not a hypocrite.
She does what she says others should do.
Isn't this what Obama has been saying needs to be done?
We don't really know if he's done these things but we know she has.
...reminds me of the movie "Erin Brockovich".
So, I'd say that IF something knocked McCain out of presidency and pushed her into it, she is the BEST option of ALL the famous party candidates that ran for both parties!!!

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Newb she has not been tested though...that's the thing

EVEN McCain has only met her ONCE in his LONG 72 year life
NO ONE except people from alaska had heard of her prior to friday

she has NEVER had ANY dealing with anything international, AT ALL!

We do not know what her judgement is like...i'm hearing from even republicans that she rejected a bridge, for which there are quotes of her saying she was for it..she's being investigated for firing someone who wouldn't fire her ex brother in law
or something like that...

NO ONE know her, this is TOO BIG a risk for McCain..and he really should have been smarter and more wise about this..but he wasn't!

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Yeah her brother in law was a cop, he admitted he tazed his own son, Palin and others say he threatened to shoot her if she got custody, so Palin ordered him to be fired and when a bureaucrat who serves at the pleasure of the gov refused, she fired that bureaucrat.

Obama is a void of international experience himself.  A vacation tour does not a diplomat make.  And neither did CLinton when he won.

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> Newb she has not been tested though...that's the thing

EVEN McCain has only met her ONCE in his LONG 72 year life
NO ONE except people from alaska had heard of her prior to friday

she has NEVER had ANY dealing with anything international, AT ALL!

We do not know what her judgement is like...i'm hearing from even republicans that she rejected a bridge, for which there are quotes of her saying she was for it..she's being investigated for firing someone who wouldn't fire her ex brother in law
or something like that...

NO ONE know her, this is TOO BIG a risk for McCain..and he really should have been smarter and more wise about this..but he wasn't!
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Gladiator, she has been tested though...that is the thing.
"Whoever can be trusted in small things can be trusted in big things.  Whoever can not be trusted in small things can not be trusted in big things"
She's had dealings with people who are "strange" to her, translate that to the international arena.
And besides, women are usually better internationally/diplomatically then men are.
The bridge bit is a wise gutzy move on her part.  Most politicians would have caved in.  She didn't.
The firing of someone who wouldn't fire her bro-in-law is still under investigation and she's fully cooperating.  Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe her relative she wanted fired had done something wrong and his superior was afraid of doing what was right over what is convenient?  Maybe her bro-in-law was abusing his indirect relationship to her and she didn't want him to corrupt her weeding out corruption in politics?

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Lol you guys go to great lenghts to contradict each others tongue

I seriously doubt Palin will get McCain any democrat votes, for the simple fact that the Bush administration pretty much made that impossible. His approval rate is what, 8% atm?

I also seriously doubt many republicans will vote Obama, he is black afterall.

So, all in all, I expect another tight race, which will be won by the party whose voters turn up the most at the polls.

It doesn't matter if McCain picked a woman or if Biden really is an asset to Obama. You guys have become too blind to see anything other than Republican or Democrat on the ballot. The candidates could be Putin and Osama that it wouldn't matter, you just look up Rep or Dem and make your mark. I guess politics has become another national sport.

It's sad really. Forgive me for quoting Obama, but he said that your nation's troops "have not served a Red America or a Blue America

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It looks like sizeable numbers of women are. 

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?s=84e8f8fed41973cc838bb6dadd78ce5b&t=26179

I've heard Gallup says 9% of Hillary supporters are more likely to back MCCain Palin

I'm glad to see a conservative, penis or not, and I hope in 2012 we have a Palin/Jindal ticket

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> > Newb wrote:

> > Zarf wrote:

> Considering that Bill Clinton's a credentials prior to presidency were "governor of Arkansas," doesn't that mean "governor" is a legit credential to become in the executive branch?
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For Democrats it is.


Bush Jr. had the same credentials.

Oh, and I think Reagan may have as well.
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Sorry, I wasn't being literal this time.
I was just trying to show the fallacy of this position of theirs.

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OMFG tongue

I JUST HEARD her speak yikes

her voice is more annoying than hillary clinton's laugh.... SORRY but if you think people are gunna put with that for over even 5 minutes..you're mistaken tongue

but yeah what Gen said tongue

I'm just saying my opinion..it'll never be like yours..hopefully wink

To be honest people who are ready to trust obama will vote for him...people who think McCain can do better than bush, they'll vote for him

Obama can't take away from McCain...and McCain can't take away from Obama ---

Now we just have to see where Nader falls into this..he might take some from McCain..but not much to matter
and we have to see where new voters end up going.. will Palin be enough to bring in new voters for McCain?

I personaly think she won't be...cuz she has jsut SECURED votes that were either guna go to McCain or at the worst stay home..
I don't think she can be known enough within 67 days... or spread her message within those days and excite enough people to bring in more new voters than obama

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Dude the whole of the news services will be on her, and we will all know her cause of it.

Republicans are inspecting her hardcore and we find her fit.

She WILL be President in her own time.

This is just her getting the nod that she is good enough to be 2nd for a little while.

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See what I mean? hmm

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THAT'S IT, I'M GOING REPUBLICAN NOW!


Integrous politics (every party, including hers) corruption-fighter Palin is the reason I'm choosing a side during these elections...























...too bad I'm not American!  sad

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> she has NEVER had ANY dealing with anything international, AT ALL!
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Canada's not international?

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Flint can "mistake" Obama for Osama and Gladiator can't complain about Palin's voice?

Priorities I guess yikes

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Zarf ...i'm sorry i couldn't control myself with the voice thing

it had to be said... tongue sorry.. but i've made fun of my own democrats aswell tongue

like Clintons laugh and Obama's big ears..lighten up



OH by the ..the whole fashion thing reminded me
Muscle fit - Obama shirts and  -Ba-Rack the vote ..shirts..are sexxyy big_smile
if i were Obama i'd be getting my campaign to sell them..and raise money for the campaign
but as it is.random stores are making and selling them..most likely not giving money to Obama
only coverage.. big_smile


O & .. some more funny silliness big_smile
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One look of Palin in a swim suit and 1/3 of the "Bro's" will be voting for her to see more of her tongue

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Not that I'm going to read a whole thread full of sexist remarks and Repubs trying to appear more moderate, but this is clearly strategy. The Republicans love showing that clip of Hilary saying she would rather vote for McCain than Obama. And feminist groups are outraged thinking Hilary got beat because there is too much sexism in modern American politics. By choosing a woman as his running mate, McCain (or rather the "Think Tanks" whose hands are up his plush ass) are appealing to a large group of traditional democratic voters - social conscience women. And again, it makes McCain look less like Bush with a crappy photoshop do over.

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BTW Flint, I thought I was on that permanent ingore list. What have I done to be deprived of that honour? (hon-our: You southerners need to relearn basic spelling).

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Einstein if you think palin is hot

you need to meet more women..or atleast start by one wink OBAMA GIRLL big_smile

I'd give Palin a 5-6.... I'm not even considering her voice right now..which i have to add again.. is SOO DAMN ANNOYING..it makes me wanna hate TV ...but with her voice she's more like a 2 TOPS!



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obama girl:
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