Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

As you know Einstein, I agree with you on what matters, but I chose "Report" due to this being another 2008 USA fed Election thread.

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Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

> Gladiator wrote:

> and he just [] over Republicans too, like why wouldn't he pick Romney or even Huckabee

McCain is not even too familiar with Palin..he hasn't seriously worked with her before

I think he's just tryina get some sex out of it tongue wink
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He probably chose her since she is also a free thinker, unlike most republicans and most democrats.

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me tongue
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

you're one wierd sob yell tongue

but i'm glad you brought that up...Obama is also as you failed to mention a harvard grad, and the author of two best sellers

just thought i'd point that out, he intellegent enough...

anyways Obama even with that experience has again and again made the RIGHT judgements, his positions have even been taken on by the bush administration(McCain's buddies)

like remember how every god damn republican thought ..ohh we shouldn't talk to enemies...Obama said we should..what does bush do, talks with iran...even though they refuse to acknowledge it

and now Bush's administration has started setting a timetable, for withdrawal like Obama wanted...and McCain still stubornly opposes that timetable...

and i say AGAIN... Obama works with Biden, Biden is one of the best at foriegn policy in the senate, if not the best....he's the head of that foriegn policy commision that i for the life of me can't remember the name of...

you can not by any stretch of the immagination say that McCain picked Palin for the better of this country, he simply did it for the possible voters that he probably already lost tongue -- and already instead of praising the pick, we're hearing the media talk about an investigation of Palin for firing an official and we're hearing of quotes where she was for the bridge to nowhere, which she now opposes

great day to be a democrat.

29 (edited by [RPA]Sir SupAll 30-Aug-2008 04:43:20)

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

Gladiator, you obviously are disillusioned (big surprise!).

I just glanced over Palin's background and the only thing the two truly are opposite on is drilling in Alaska.  Big deal.  Palin offers a lot to the Republican ticket:

1) She has the Christian values the Republican base relies on.  By being pro-life, she has effectively united the concerned Republican base - evangelical Christians.

2) She is a woman.  That alone can draw many voters over to McCain.  Sure, it won't be the throng of democrats who voted for Clinton, but it can have a significant impact.

3) She is the only one on either ticket to have real executive service.  Many flatly ignore the fact that running a state as a governor is very similar to running the nation as President.  The only difference is scale and being a mother of five, I think she could do it hands down.

4) She's young, married, and a mother of five.  She quickly trumps Obama's speech as old and tired, afraid of change.  With her nomination, she's pretty much McCain's Ace of Change for the Republican party - energetic, lively, young, etc..

5) She's unknown.  It was smart of the McCain campaign to keep her a secret.  While the Democrats and Media were already pointing out the flaws in Romney, Lieberman, and Ridge, she was on the standby practically untouched.

6) She's a surprise.  Think about it.  What if McCain chose Romney or Ridge or Lieberman?  The Media would still be talking about Obama's speech and its relation to them.  However, with this out-of-nowhere nomination, Obama's speech is no longer covered and it's been a day!

7) Anyone else thinks she's damn good looking, too?

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oh by the way, i thought i'd post a little article written by a former hillary clinton supporter...it's porbably just said better than what i've been saying all along, but yeh big_smile ..here it is:

"(CNN) -- John McCain needs what Kinky Friedman calls "a checkup from the neck up."

In choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, he is not thinking "outside the box," as some have said. More like out of his mind.

Palin a first-term governor of a state with more reindeer than people, will have to put on a few pounds just to be a lightweight. Her personal story is impressive: former fisherman, mother of five. But that hardly qualifies her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

For a man who is 72 years old and has had four bouts with cancer to have chosen someone so completely unqualified to become president is shockingly irresponsible. Suddenly, McCain's age and health become central issues in the campaign, as does his judgment.

In choosing this featherweight, McCain passed over Tom Ridge, a decorated combat hero, a Cabinet secretary and the former two-term governor of the large, complex state of Pennsylvania. iReport.com: 'McCain pick might be a gimmick'

He passed over Mitt Romney, who ran a big state, Massachusetts; a big company, Bain Capital; and a big event, the Olympics.

He passed over Kay Bailey Hutchison, the Texas senator who is knowledgeable about the military, good on television and -- obviously -- a woman.

He passed over Joe Lieberman, his best friend in the Senate and fellow Iraq Kool-Aid drinker.

He passed over former congressman, trade negotiator and budget director Rob Portman.

And he also passed over Mike Huckabee, the governor of Arkansas.

For months, the McCainiacs have said they will run on his judgment and experience. In his first presidential decision, John McCain has shown that he is willing to endanger his country, potentially leaving it in the hands of someone who simply has no business being a heartbeat away from the most powerful, complicated, difficult job in human history."

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supall...you just played right into my above post tongue

and the opposite thing...i said she's opposite to clinton supporters and clinton's belief...

i have to go out right now for a smoke..i'll be back for a response to the restof your post..

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Wow Gladiator.  You took a column.  Here's something for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/politics/30veep.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Now educate yourself, will you?  And don't say it's bias towards McCain.  The NYTimes is known to be a huge sponsor of the Democrat party.

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

> Gladiator wrote:

> supall...you just played right into my above post tongue

and the opposite thing...i said she's opposite to clinton supporters and clinton's belief...

i have to go out right now for a smoke..i'll be back for a response to the restof your post..


You fail to realize that I never said she was to shore up Clinton's supporters.  I never said that she was like Clinton.  I pointed out her ability in shoring up the Republican base, uniting the concerned voters and how she can help McCain pull undecided voters.

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

> Newb wrote:

>>He probably chose her since she is also a free thinker, unlike most republicans and most democrats.
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I stand by my comment.
And I include the list that [RPA]Sir SupAll  provided us.

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me tongue
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

35 (edited by Gladiator 30-Aug-2008 05:28:25)

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

ok lets begin tongue
you get it wrong again tongue like your buddy McCain wink lOL

i was merely responding to this: "I just glanced over Palin's background and the only thing the two truly are opposite on is drilling in Alaska"
I never said they had opposite views, i said previously that She and Clinton had opposite views...anyways back to your post...

"1) She has the Christian values the Republican base relies on.  By being pro-life, she has effectively united the concerned Republican base - evangelical Christians."
- Yes, she has conservative views sadly..about every choice except liberman would deliver that

2) She is a woman.  That alone can draw many voters over to McCain.  Sure, it won't be the throng of democrats who voted for Clinton, but it can have a significant impact.
- The fact that you're saying the opposite values to clinton will gather clinton-women supporters is an insult to the intelligence...to even suggest that women will vote against their values and against clinton is idiotic

3) She is the only one on either ticket to have real executive service.  Many flatly ignore the fact that running a state as a governor is very similar to running the nation as President.  The only difference is scale and being a mother of five, I think she could do it hands down.
-Her biggest political judgment was to reject a bridge? for which there are conflicting reports tongue that's what i've been hearing all day
gimme a break...you can't seriously say that she can do better in office than Romney or any other contender for the VP

4) She's young, married, and a mother of five.  She quickly trumps Obama's speech as old and tired, afraid of change.  With her nomination, she's pretty much McCain's Ace of Change for the Republican party - energetic, lively, young, etc..
-LOL i'm still laughing with the fact you could actually succeed in using young and McCain in the same sentence, for that matter i'm shocked you even used energetic and lively yikes-- you are a hero for the repubs zarf tongue

5) She's unknown.  It was smart of the McCain campaign to keep her a secret.  While the Democrats and Media were already pointing out the flaws in Romney, Lieberman, and Ridge, she was on the standby practically untouched.
-HAHA..you play into that hole again..McCain is doing this for the election...real great for a hero of America to possibly put america in harms way for four years ..just so Media wouldn't say bad stuff about his poor VP choice after Obama's speech

6) She's a surprise.  Think about it.  What if McCain chose Romney or Ridge or Lieberman?  The Media would still be talking about Obama's speech and its relation to them.  However, with this out-of-nowhere nomination, Obama's speech is no longer covered and it's been a day!
-AGAIN..all for politics eh? where as Obama chose Biden for his experience and his ability to work with him..shows a mans personality and judgment..doesnt it? McCain's ready to risk a Palin presidency for a mere few minutes of coverage on CNN
like COME ON he's only met this women ONCE in his life...he's never worked with her.. how much could he really trust her??
and now think this in comparison with Obama's pick..they TRULY went through evrything to find the best person for the job....notice i say best person for the job...not best person for the election-- if Obama just wanted votes with his pick..like McCain does-- Obama would've picked hillary clinton..and then BAM 18 million votes instantly..no?
He instead chose someone more experienced and someone he can work with... shows he's not a risk taker like McCain..show's he's not doing this for politics but for America....you can't say that for McCain anymore

7) Anyone else thinks she's damn good looking, too?
that makes everything all right then..right?
Bin laden won't attack us with a sexy gal like her...



INTERESTING FACT: Palin did not have a passport until she had to go to Kuwait..in July 2007 ----she hasn't been out of the states too much

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

My turn:

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"1) She has the Christian values the Republican base relies on.  By being pro-life, she has effectively united the concerned Republican base - evangelical Christians."
- Yes, she has conservative views sadly..about every choice except liberman would deliver that
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Yes, but not every other choice was as unpredictable as her, now was she?


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2) She is a woman.  That alone can draw many voters over to McCain.  Sure, it won't be the throng of democrats who voted for Clinton, but it can have a significant impact.
- The fact that you're saying the opposite values to clinton will gather clinton-women supporters is an insult to the intelligence...to even suggest that women will vote against their values and against clinton is idiotic
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You're reading into my intentions.  Take what I say literally or don't bother reading them, okay?  I simply said that it can (emphasis on "can") have a significant impact on other voters. Besides, do you honestly think that 93% of Black America is voting for Obama simply because of his "Change" policy? If so, you're more disillusioned than I would have ever thought.


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3) She is the only one on either ticket to have real executive service.  Many flatly ignore the fact that running a state as a governor is very similar to running the nation as President.  The only difference is scale and being a mother of five, I think she could do it hands down.
-Her biggest political judgment was to reject a bridge? for which there are conflicting reports tongue that's what i've been hearing all day
gimme a break...you can't seriously say that she can do better in office than Romney or any other contender for the VP
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"...that's what i've been hearing all day..."  Funny.  Jump the gun, use the argument.  Sounds awfully like old politics and debate.  Are we sure you're an Obama-supporter or an ABB activist?  And no, I can't say she can do better than Lieberman or Romney.  But she's the better choice and that's what matters.


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4) She's young, married, and a mother of five.  She quickly trumps Obama's speech as old and tired, afraid of change.  With her nomination, she's pretty much McCain's Ace of Change for the Republican party - energetic, lively, young, etc..
-LOL i'm still laughing with the fact you could actually succeed in using young and McCain in the same sentence, for that matter i'm shocked you even used energetic and lively yikes-- you are a hero for the repubs zarf tongue
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And there's no rebuttal, but a mocking commendation of my debate skills?  That's fine, but it is strange.  Last I heard, Obama not only congratulated Mrs. Palin on her nomination, but wished her luck as well.  You are far from the Obama-supporter that I was given the impression of.  Surely, do you believe that whatever arguments you spit here about Mrs. Palin cannot be turned on Biden?  I'm sure even you can see the how negated many attacks on personality and candidacy are going to end up being after her nomination.


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5) She's unknown.  It was smart of the McCain campaign to keep her a secret.  While the Democrats and Media were already pointing out the flaws in Romney, Lieberman, and Ridge, she was on the standby practically untouched.
-HAHA..you play into that hole again..McCain is doing this for the election...real great for a hero of America to possibly put america in harms way for four years ..just so Media wouldn't say bad stuff about his poor VP choice after Obama's speech
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I don't understand your comment.  It's gibberish and hardly founded.  Since when have either candidate not done something for their election?  Start making sense.


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6) She's a surprise.  Think about it.  What if McCain chose Romney or Ridge or Lieberman?  The Media would still be talking about Obama's speech and its relation to them.  However, with this out-of-nowhere nomination, Obama's speech is no longer covered and it's been a day!
-AGAIN..all for politics eh? where as Obama chose Biden for his experience and his ability to work with him..shows a mans personality and judgment..doesnt it? McCain's ready to risk a Palin presidency for a mere few minutes of coverage on CNN
like COME ON he's only met this women ONCE in her life...he's never worked with her.. how much could he really trust her??
and now think this in comparison with Obama's pick..they TRULY went through evrything to find the best person for the job..
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McCain will choose what is best for his campaign.  You fail to grasp the situation for the Democrats.  Those "mere few minutes" were enough for Obama's speech to be completely eclipsed.  Meeting her ONCE is enough to put her on the grid.  And since when MUST a President choose someone that they've worked with before?  McCain is taking a risk, yes, and it is paying off dividends on the Republican base.  And how much could he trust her?  Take a look.  If McCain made a name for himself as being the "Maverick", Palin could easily become "Goose" or "Ice" (personality wise, not what happens to them in the movie...).


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7) Anyone else thinks she's damn good looking, too?
that makes everything all right then..right?
Bin laden won't attack us with a sexy gal like her...
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Really?  Are you seriously taking that as a serious argument?  You're truly scraping barrels here.  First, she is good looking.  Second, I'm sure Bin Laden would sooner kill Biden than Palin.


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INTERESTING FACT: Palin did not have a passport until she had to go to Kuwait..in July 2007 ----she hasn't been out of the states too much
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INTERESTING FACT: Obama was forced to visit Iraq and Afghanistan for his election.

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umm it's 1:37 AM here tongue

i don't think i want to post right now...you'll hear too many swear words tongue
and some of your counters are SOO Silly tongue

and how was obama forced to visit Iraq?

and no the beauty thing wasn't a serious argument..take a joke will ya tongue

38 (edited by [RPA]Sir SupAll 30-Aug-2008 07:14:46)

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Only 1:37? tongue

He was forced to or do you not remember the accusation of Obama having not been to Iraq and Afghanistan, but was willing to give orders regardless of having not seen with his own eyes what is happening.


EDIT:  And yeah, it wasn't seen as a joke if you had this line first: "that makes everything all right then..right?"

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I think this could, note I said could, seriously blow up in McCain's face.  While some women may be drawn to McCain for picking Palin other women, based on those I know most women, will see that he merely picked Palin to draw the female vote and they'll be right pissed seeing the move as patronizing.  It's not even that hard to see that Palin was picked primarily to get the female vote because while she certainly has experience there are more experienced candidates that could have been picked.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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Obama is doomed

The inmates are running the asylum

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Really?  To win over the women vote?  Possibly, but is it the fault of the McCain campaign for exploiting a division?  Clinton and Obama created a very close, very aggressive, very heated primary and that caused deep rifts.  Sure, it has closed up a little bit, but it's still there.  Think of it this way: Would it be any different if Clinton won the nomination? 

The point I'm trying to make is that McCain could possibly have not made a better choice.  She shores up the Republican base (which is very important as 2 of 3 of the presumed picks were Pro-Choice), she offers the face of McCain's maverick side (revealing the faults of the Republicans and Democrats in Alaska), she's someone who has the possibility of bringing in some unhappy Clinton supporters (which none of the other picks would possibly do), she's been completely under the radar of the media (unlike the presumed VP picks), and she's the only one who has any sort of real executive experience.  Hell, if she ran for President, I wouldn't have mind voting for her instead of McCain.

She's also better looking than Clinton...I mean, she was a beauty pageant Queen. wink

42 (edited by Justinian I 30-Aug-2008 08:54:04)

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

Did you know that Obama is a relative of Cheney?

Anyhow, McCain made a good choice. She looks good on tv, and solidifies McCain's support among the evangelicals.

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She has no real education?

LORD HELP OREGON

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

Oh my i never thought they would pick someone even more ugly then Angela Merkel....

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http://gov.state.ak.us/official_portraits.php

Ugly? Are you blind or gay?

The inmates are running the asylum

46 (edited by Justinian I 30-Aug-2008 10:20:18)

Re: Sarah Palin, McCains Running mate, Governor of Alaska

She has a degree in journalism, and minored in political science. She's educated.

As for her looks, even though she's aged a lot, I would so do her. Would I do Angela Merkel? Hell no! It's so unfair to compare her with Merkel.

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well on that picture she is not as bad as on the pic i saw before.
I would not do her.. neither would i do Merkel.

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*LP hides in disgust*

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"Palin was the governor of the largest state in the union."

Yes, and also thecalmest one. Size doesn't matter. Besides, being governor seems to be a rather easy job, if even a the intellectual equivalent of antimatter Swarzenegger can be a governator for longer than one term..

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

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Wouldn't it be ironic of Clinton votes for Mccain while she's part of the democrats?