"Joe4444 has the Bible on his side whether you like it or not and playing around with the Bible and quoting it in different contexts to fit the values you get from the secular world doesn't make those values Biblical."

Not arguing this point but there is a long list of bad ideas that had the Bible on their side.

Now regardless of what is in the Bible it is hoped that at the dawn of the 21st century we can throw away some of the more archaic views held in its pages wouldn't you think?  Yes the Bible says women shouldn't hold positions of authority over men but the Bible also says that people guilty of various sins should be stoned to death should we follow that too?

Basing your vote solely on religion is a bad way to go.  Basing your vote on ANY singular thing is a bad way to go.  If a candidate ran and had ideas for all these policies you agreed with, had all these great ideas, would you not vote for them because of one thing you didn't like about them?  I understand how important the Bible is to some people but if you are going to decide who to vote for based on what is in a book written 2,000 years ago when people still thought the earth was the center of the universe and the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot, do the world a favour and don't vote.

Thank you tavius, finally some encouragement   This is about the only forum where I seem to get so little.  I appreciate and agree with what you, tavius, said.  In addition, I'd like to add some input to other comments.

> "Basing your vote solely on religion is a bad way to go."

DPS: True, but you also must consider that for some, such as myself, religion is the backbone of our life.  It is treated as the highest priority in everything I say and do.  If I voted entirely out of religion, it would be reluctantly for McCain.  However, I'm willing to forgive Obama's stance as a pro-choice candidate, because I like his positive message to bring the nation forward.

> "I understand how important the Bible is to some people but if you are going to decide who to vote for based on what is in a book written 2,000 years ago when people still thought the earth was the center of the universe and the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot, do the world a favour and don't vote."

I really don't like the way that your depicting the Bible here.  Its a sacred book, it governs our lives, from before creation to beyond death.  It is, in the least, a favor to our creator to simply perform a small task on earth (such as voting) to his favor.

i said: "shutup women, you must be silent! Bible tells us so!"

got punched right in between of quietness and full submission... X(

stupid tavius and crazy joe... X(

tavius,

"11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
15 But women[a] will be saved[b] through childbearing

lmfao I stopped reading Joe when you took the road of 'Never voting for Woman'.

Would of thought better of someone who seems to have morals but obviously that was an incorrect assumption.  Obama is nothing but words... what I find absolutely atrocious is the fact that people vote so blindly.

For example...

81% of African American voted for Obama in Texas... just like 70%+ of Latinos vote for Hilary.  Why in the hell are our politics aimed at  ETHNIC  / RACIAL  groups rather than separated by Politic constituents.  Seriously, just listening to people's reasoning behind voting are stupid and sickening.

'I won't vote Hillary because she's a woman'

'I won't vote Obama because he's black'

'I won't vote Mccain because he's old'

Seriously anyone who believes in ANY of those statements are the reason our country is so [tree]ing politically backwards.

I will NEVER become a memory...

X(   X(
~SA

"> "I understand how important the Bible is to some people but if you are going to decide who to vote for based on what is in a book written 2,000 years ago when people still thought the earth was the center of the universe and the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot, do the world a favour and don't vote."

I really don't like the way that your depicting the Bible here.  Its a sacred book, it governs our lives, from before creation to beyond death.  It is, in the least, a favor to our creator to simply perform a small task on earth (such as voting) to his favor."

I wouldn't expect you to like how I depict the bible, in fact I was counting on it. No one would argue against the idea of the earth being the center of the universe or the sun being pulled accross the sky by a chariot as being ridiculous; and yet the Bible, written by the same people in the same time, somehow is still relevant today.  As for your next point if God is a being of infinite power that has existed longer than the universe itself I highly doubt the results of an election or the motivation of the voters matters all that much.  Consider this, are you concerned with the day-to-day actions of an ant?  Of course not and God is significantly higher above us than we are above ants.

Looks like Obama's got the Republicans and Hillary against him.  Its looking like the country is eager for a bleek future.

Nobody needs to pay attention to the blabble of dave key, he's just a hippie.

how am i a hippie?, now we have and i use this term very loosely "effective government" religion is obsolite, if the bible is that real surely incest wouldnt be a sin seeing as though there was only adam and eve? who only had two sons? im no brain scientist but theres somthing very wrong going on there.so tbh id rather be a hippy than have wasted my life around a religion based around incest

That with the genesis story. In the muslim one they made 4 times 4 diffrent children and they intermingeled. Or thats what the imam said.

> joe4444 wrote:

> I really don't like the way that your depicting the Bible here.  Its a sacred book, it governs our lives, from before creation to beyond death.  It is, in the least, a favor to our creator to simply perform a small task on earth (such as voting) to his favor. <

the bible is a bunch of hogwash wrote long ago to scare people into thinking if they didnt abide by it they would be damned.
the bible as you know it is compromised of books only the catholic church would allow.
many other books of the bible were written but were left out because it didnt fit the popes plan.

the only true religion is the religion of "me".
if im true to myself then i can be true to my neighbors.

just ask "me" for forgiveness.

"11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
15 But women[a] will be saved[b] through childbearing