Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

@ Pheonix

Absolutely on target....except the "Techonologically advanced" part.  Im not so sure what that means......


Speaking to a Ukranian, working on a cruise liner.....we had a few beers, and were talking about Ukraine and Georgia.

He expressed.....Eastern Ukraine is extremely, ... not slightly, connected to Russia.  They want Putin to keep power and Ukraine to unite w/Russia.

Western Ukraine is on the side of the EU, and wants desperatley to be out of the influence of Moscow politics and the Russian grip....that is TRYING to engulf Ukraine.

He told me this.....as a Pro-Russian, Eastern Ukraine, citizen of Keiv......that Georgia is a test.  He feels Georgia is the small step.  Ukraine is the actual goal.

I told him, that is a scary scenario.  He told me, its a done deal.  Ukraine military is dominated by pro-Russians.  Its the govt. that is pro-west, Pro-EU.

He also said, Russia sees itself as the dominate of the UE, and wants no part of it.

Scary.  Scary talk.

If a Ukrainian speeks like this, what do the Russians think ?

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Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

more nations arrayed against us = less concern about fallout

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Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

http://www.google.com/language_tools

Learn to google you poor f-mod! X(

I was not at all using bad language, I was humorous!!!!!

arg!

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Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

El Yell es un mexicano Druglord que utiliza su modly poderes para suprimir nice cute puestos sobre la mariposa y japon

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

Stalin burned in Gori - Georgian city. Interested fact?

From Guardian newspaper:
"Are especial communications between Saakashvili and Washington neokonservatorami are close: with 2004 the Georgian government has paid to the lobbist firm headed Rendi SHunemannom (Randy Scheunemann) the main foreign policy adviser of the candidate in presidents of the USA from John Makkejna's Republican party, almost 900 000 dollars."
Who's command of US politic?
       
Abkhazia and Ossetia never is the Georgian territories. They were independent empires. They have asked the help for Russia when the osmanli empire (Turkey) has begun intervention. Russia has incured a role of the defender of Caucasus from the Islam, having received in a makeweight of a problem of interstine conflicts. And till now with this role consults. Badly or well are our problems, instead of " transatlantic friends ", which then, as the states, even not.
Georgia "has received" these territories under Stalin's instruction.
At disorder of the USSR, both Georgia, and Abkhazia, and Ossetia - legally became independent. But for some reason Georgia has declared their "autonomous regions" as at the union was. And when those have protested in 1991 - Georgia has untied war.

Crimea - too Khruschev's "gift". Allow to be defined to people which there lives and works.

406 (edited by Little Paul 19-Aug-2008 12:51:23)

Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

@bw:
"Ukraine military is dominated by pro-Russians.  Its the govt. that is pro-west, Pro-EU."
thats probably what the guy hopes. I fear for a civil war though, wich will legalise russian intervention.

And some stupid EU countries leaders hold back the navo because of their energy supplies. Cowards. Its their mistake in the first place to become so energy dependant on moscow.

407 (edited by ☭ Fokker 19-Aug-2008 15:11:26)

Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

>There's a lot of speculation that Andropov's "heart attack" was a planned event, because he was a real nut.<

No speculation in my house. Let me use this to help you gain an insight into the Russian mind: It is never the poison that kills you, it is your heart stopping that kills you. See?


> Little Paul wrote:

> @Yellawskov:
"And such a war would require Russia to protect her citizens from Ukranian aggression within its own borders..."
the cost of such a war would be much higher then the gains. Not like in georgia were europes energy insurance and hence russians power to blackmail europe hangs in the balance for a fairly easy military intervention.

I agree however its a longterm possibility we have to take into account. Also for other countries there.<

The cost would be large, yes, but the strategic gains of holding Ukraine would be enought to allay any paranoia concerning the American missiles in [I can't spell it, sorry].


>@fokker:
yell edits so far are only correction of insults, he doesn't change the meaning. His neutrality shows because he edits posts of rightwingers as well, and in the same way. What are you so upset about?<

1) There was no insult in my post
2) Even if there was an insult in my post he should have edited that and that only.


>"goluboj" literally means light-blue but when talking about men it means "gay"<

Given that I refer to myself as Red I think it is safe to assume that I was not using the term in it's archaic insulting form. Although I will admit that I specifically chose Light Blue over Dark Blue for a reason.


[EDIT]

>If a Ukrainian speeks like this, what do the Russians think?<

Half think Putin is god and his word should be followed immediately and exactly even if they don't understand why their great economic saviour wants them to stand on the steps of a foreign embassy and harrass the staff (Aren't chavs great?).

The other half, the ones who actually follow politics and world events and weren't breastfed fluroide, are seeing the prick who surfed to political godhood on the economic wave created by Boris Yeltsin starting to confirm their worst fears.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

So...you meant to call me a Smurf? mad

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Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

lol

Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

> TheYell wrote:

> So...you meant to call me a Smurf? mad<

No, no smurfs in Russia tongue

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

411 (edited by TheYell 19-Aug-2008 19:58:14)

Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

"No, no smurfs in Russia "

You commie bastards genocided the Smurfs!!!

http://www.spike.com/video/2681621

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Russian troops to invade georgia

the topic has somehow hopped around like a Russian tank division on a peacekeeping mission

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.