Obama has already promised to invade Pakistan if it doesn't help us fight the Taliban in Afghanistan...

I think in Obama's approach with pakistan, he might be going a little too fast, the truth is Pakistan has no control over the tribal areas, they are a part of Pakistan, they're supposed to be atleast but have no association what so ever with Pakistand and its government, furthermore not everyone in the tribal areas is a part of al-qaeda and if they are they're not all anti-america

Now obama wants american troops to take action in the TRIBAL AREAS, a region not many pakistanis consider their own, however if Pakistani troops/nationals die in those attacks than they will obvioulsy get mad, as pakistani nationals/officials/army/police are present in those areas
McCain however is with bush on this one, keep on giving Pakistan money, 10 billion or so dollars so far, and watch them again say we can't do anything.. They can't do anything cuz they would kill their own people in the fight aswell, not to add Pakistan got what they wanted from al-qaeda and tribal leaders before and they continue to get what they want, and that's not to mention pakistan's intelligence agency has huge associations with the tribal leaders, and they can not really go against them

I think the solution has to be, that Pakistan stop getting money, atleast reduce the amount america sends, and pull troops out of iraq, and send them to afghanistan, there you start pulling out pakistani nationals(officials), and then with PAKISTAN's APPROVAL and CO-OPERATION you defend, you don't provoke, you counter basically

Something that's very fantasy like but is how-ever possible... but McCain won't go with that approach

he would probably keep sending money to pakistan and let them buy their mercedez limos and live a life of luxury..instead of using that money in the states...

Well i wouldn't say he has kept it all, but yeah you could see him just about to break down in tears, i actually got a chance to see his resignation speech , it made me somewhat change my view of him

> TheYell wrote:

> Obama has already promised to invade Pakistan if it doesn't help us fight the Taliban in Afghanistan...
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Obama had already publicly initially insistently promised to pull out all troops from Iraq.
But then much later he publicly insistently promisted to keep them there.

http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+surrenders+to+Russia+by+mistake&search_type=&aq=f

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

Glad,
i don't mind politicians changing their minds (like Obama/Kerry), as long as when they do so they publicly admit that they were wrong beforehand.
The other extreme is to never admit you're wrong when you are (like Bush).

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

You worded it technically and (more importantly) conceptually different than your worship worded it.

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

BW, I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt any of the present SERIOUS contenders for that position will do anything, i would expect them to do worse than Musharaf,

and if they do turn a blind eye, they'll be mobbed like musharaf

..and I will personally devote myself to be Bush's servant if he catches Osama bin laden... It could be quite easy, seeing as they probably drink coffee and what not at noon on sundays at his Texas ranch

and BW YOUR candidate doesnt wanna touch Pakistan and wants to continue the insane funding...honestly niether Barack or McCain have a solution to the tribal areas

this man does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C43doD91PE

Any post saying Bush is a great president and saying that bush will catch Osama, should always be taken as a joke and nothing in that post should be taken seriously..c'mon DPS you should know better than that....and if not even that convinces you that the post is a joke, maybe the poster will change your mind..

Fokker the kashmir problem really isn't the top priority right now...

I would imagine it to be the bad economy, and the shortage of electricity...Even pakistan's high populated urban areas spend more time without electricity and less time with electricity

Kashmir probably is at the bottom of the list right now

> Gladiator wrote:

> Fokker the kashmir problem really isn't the top priority right now...

I would imagine it to be the bad economy, and the shortage of electricity...Even pakistan's high populated urban areas spend more time without electricity and less time with electricity

Kashmir probably is at the bottom of the list right now<

Never underestimate the stupidity of voters.
In reality you are correct in that Kashmir is a minor problem, a small issue, but in reality making promises about Kashmir brings in idiot voters by the thousands.... I'd use an analogy but I can't be arsed, I'm too tired.

Musharaf's problem was that the military was not fully behind him, he was unpopular, and he was not ruthless enough to maintain power. He was too committed to progressive ideals and upset the Pakistani population with his commitment to the US that his political enemies weren't afraid of him. He did not know how to play the lion and fox dynamic very well. He should have focused his reign of gathering the support of the military, monopolizing the press, and stamping out political opposition.

Musharaf's reign is very similar to King Louis XIX of France. He was too nice and idealistic from the start, and didn't understand power principles very well.