McCain is coming off more strongly conservative today than usual. He is finally moving to the center from the left!

"He is finally moving to the center from the left!"

If McCain is a leftist, I wonder what in the name of God's ass you call right-wing?

Hitler is about where Obama is imo.

Don't forget to salute the next fuhrer!

Hitler was more left than right by far, revisionism will not get you anything from me.

My idea of Center is Reagan, and my idea of a slightly to the right is Rush Limbaugh.

Hard to the right is Charlton Heston imo.

Sure Hitler was leftist, he wanted a single European government with lotsa state subsidies and full employment for every European from the State (Wehrmacht)

Yet he prohibited unions, leftist organisations in general, and saw the Soviet Union as his main opponent and idiological negative. He didn't want to unify europe (let alone the world), but wanted his own people to expand over the whole of Europe. There's a difference of uniting everyone in a "nation of the working class" as the classic communists of those days wanted and expanding to the entire of europe so that your own people have it better.

"The estate tax is phasing out and is completely eliminated for 2010, but it snaps back to 2001 levels -- a 55 percent top rate with the first $675,000 exempt -- at the end of that year. McCain wants a 15 percent rate, and a $5 million exemption, while Obama advocates a 45 percent rate and a $3.5 million exemption."

-http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html?CMP=KNC-360I-GOOGLE-BULL&HBX_OU=50
&HBX_PK=obama_tax_plan

But in 2011, it actually doesn't go back to 2001 levels, but 2002 levels ($1 million).

I no longer hate Obama so much, if he is actually committed to what he said.

He wont, traditionally all presidents have (with the exception of Reagan and a couple others) gone to the left when elected, especially if they started on the left.

So you need to rethink that premise Justinian.

"He was no communist, but he was left of center for 100% sure."

Great evidence or argument flintsy!

Einstein,

Yeah, I'm not sure I really believe him on that, and I'm still voting for McCain.

The one thing I agree with Obama is his statement that people who earn $150,000 are not rich as other democrats say, but middle class. He also says that he intends to lower their taxes. On the other hand, what he only implies is that he will hit them with higher social security taxes, so maybe they will actually have their taxes go up.

However, Obama says he wants to raise capital gains taxes from 15% to 25%. Personally I think that's retarded in our economy, because that will decrease investment in the US. If anything, capital gains should go down even further.

I also don't like Obama's spending proposals.

Education:
- Due to the teacher's unions and frivolous spending, public education is far more expensive than it needs to be and delivers poor service.
* Obama's plan of increasing education spending only adds fuel to the fire.
* The solution to education is to start by illegalizing the teacher's unions and send a message that there will be no further spending on education until their frivolous spending (sports teams that need to be sustained with tax dollars and tuition, athletes receiving obscene athletic scholarships, music and art classes etc) is eliminated.

Health Care:
- The system is all ready too centralized, inefficient, and poor in service
* Obama plans to have universal health care. This will make the all ready existing problems even more inefficient. My justification is the law of administration that the more centralized things are, the less efficient and more expensive they are.
* The solution to Health Care is to return to the good old days before health care reform in the 1980s. Yeah there was more paper work, but there weren't obscene costs (without health insurance, and with is still more expensive than pre-reform levels) to go to the doctor, and service was better.

Social Security:
- SS is unsustainable because of lower birth rates and longer life expectancies.
* Obama's plan of increasing SS spending also adds fuel to the fire.
* The solution to SS is to progressively move to 401ks. 401ks don't cost the state anything (except tax exemptions) and they invest in the economy.

I could go on, but that's enough for now.

Anyway, lets get to toppic.

"Well Obama's said his piece. I found him trying hard to move to the center and to Christianity. He is going to severely upset a lot of Democrats."
The centre I don't know but you are right about christianity. It idd will upset the hardcore atheist but on the other hand he defended themes like abortion wich is very popular in that environement.

But I doubt he won even a small amount of votes of the conservative christians. I think McCain will try hard on that side of the spectre.

If answering questions is above Obama's pay scale, then let's find that guy and make him President!

> Little Paul wrote:

> The third reich in fact, is a good example whats wrong about the left-right axis and better in the 3 dimensional structure.
Gov: Totalitarian
Econ: centre but with some extreme-left aspects in it.
social model: fascism

Its the econ part that gets people confused. To flints defence, it had some extreme left aspects in it. To your defence alan, the social model was undoubtably extreme right. Now I generalise, hoping you all understand what I said, but I'm willing to explain it further.
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I totally understand what you said and agree with your analysis.
Hitler's social model is something I disagree with.
He had the Pope's blessing.
(which the Vatican vehementally denied after Germany won the war, until about the 1990's where they then admitted it was true but added a twist to it to justify their foolishness)

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