did you forgot to take your pills latly?

and why we are up to it why not put all liberals in concentratione camps and conquer the whole world? like every natione who doesn't surrender to the usa in the next 2 hours gets a nuke?

">Yes because the US has never, ever supported rogue groups in sovereign nations, nope not once.<<

so, Anything Goes? Or you're just enemies of the United States, too?"

BW criticized Russia for supporting a rogue group, I chose to say something in response that seemed slightly more witty then "That's the pot calling the kettle black."

It isn't right for either nation to do it but the US is not in any position to point fingers on the issue.

" Only Russia isn't the US, so it should be stomped in turn.
Now THATS hypocritical."

Only if I had ever said "Oh the USA is your servant, we are all one big blue marble under the rainbow and citizens of one happy world".

Which I never do.

> Which I never do.

So your saying that if China were to invade Taiwan, that the U.S. wouldnt intervene?

If you say yes, you are being hypocritical.

if you say no, you are a wussbag.

battle of teh n00bie fmods ftw

goooooooooooo usa!

You boneheads think RUSSIA will start launching Nuclear weaps ??

Putin is a bully.  He is not stupid or suicidal.

He knows there are a bunch of Spineless asses in Europe (Not including the UK of course).

But, the French or Germans (The rest of you little Pee Wee states, called nations dont count)   hehe.......  They wont do a thing.

It does lead to what the US can do, and what Russia can do to defend itself.
The US can do what ever it wants.  The Russian military has no prayer vs. US weapon systems.

What can Russia do ??  Nothing offensive.  Therefore they are on defence. 

Tactically speaking....thats a commanders dream.  Making a foe react is perfect.

Russia is a big baby state, that is a shell of its formerly nothing status.
Czarist Russia, Soviet Russia and Putin's Russia are all the same.....a bullshit bully state w/no real clout.

I really was trying to be objective and give Russia the benefit of the doubt.   But, now ??
Forget it.  I say they need a spanking.  If only to show Turkey, they can count on the US....even when they left us hanging with the initial attack on Iraq.

"I really was trying to be objective and give Russia the benefit of the doubt.   But, now ??
Forget it.  I say they need a spanking.  If only to show Turkey, they can count on the US....even when they left us hanging with the initial attack on Iraq."

That only works if no one in Turkey has ever read a history book.  Historically the only people who can count on the US is the US, not saying there's anything wrong with that but that's the way it is.  The US has shown it will not act unless there is a direct or indirect benefit to them.

WWI - US stayed out until they were attacked despite the requests of their allies for assistance,

WWII - US stayed out until they were attacked despite the Global threat the Axis (Nazi Germany in particular) posed,

Korean War - US only got involved to stop the spread of Communism which it viewed as a threat,

Vietnam - See Korean War,

Gulf War - Could be argued as the US not acting solely for the benefit of the US however it is important to note this was a UN initiative so it is impossible to know one way or another if the US would have gotten involved on its own,

Afghan War - Response to the 9/11 terrorist attacks,

Iraq War - eliminating a potential threat as well as cleaning up a black mark on the US reputation.

As I said nothing wrong with this position but it certainly doesn't inspire confidence in the dependability of US assisstance.

"& if taking on Russia is as easy & as risk free as you claim it is why hasnt the USA taken them on?"

Because no one who's tried has ever succeeded.  Russia is a large country with harsh winters so unless you can wipe out the majority of resistance in 9 months you're going to run into the problems every other army that's tried has; inavailability of supplies and a harsh climate the enemy is infinitely more familliar with.

yup, and apart from the western part "bombing the hell out of them", the usual American tactic doesn't work there.

"Russia is a big baby state, that is a shell of its formerly nothing status.
Czarist Russia, Soviet Russia and Putin's Russia are all the same.....a bullshit bully state w/no real clout."

Russians probably have inferior weapons, but they do have nuclear bombs, and only a few of them are enough to cause a catastrophe.

No, they shouldn't do as they please, but there are other ways to ground them..

Diplomacy? I think Russia's actions these last couple of days have shown that doesn't work all that well.

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/8/10aug13-there-are-no-stupid-questions-just-stupid-people.jpg

the wording of the link made me laugh already...................

"Not at all, shutting them out of economic deals would do them far more harm, but it takes time. This is exactly how the first cold war ended."

And in the meantime Russia tramples Georgia.