ok, and? what is your point?

just like France was meddling with British sovereignty in America during the American revolution?

these are two facts: Abkhazia & S. Ossetia have repeatedly stated time & time again that they DO NOT WANT TO be a part of Georgia. They both have declared independence. Georgia will never get these territories back for as long Russia defends them. These areas should have a vote on what they want to do & the international community should respect that.

"these are two facts: Abkhazia & S. Ossetia have repeatedly stated time & time again that they DO NOT WANT TO be a part of Georgia. They both have declared independence. Georgia will never get these territories back for as long Russia defends them. These areas should have a vote on what they want to do & the international community should respect that."

Only an idiot would let whole chunks of his nation just go about their own merry way. If the Southern Ossetians like the Russians so much they can emigrate.

now let the facts talk for themselves

http://incogman.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/david-duke-the-cold-hard-facts/

1) Ossetia is a ninety percent Russian area. Georgia has made repeated efforts to ethnically cleanse the region. Russian peacekeeping troops have been in Ossetia for years and were approved in international agreements so as to protect the citizens of the region from attacks by the Georgian military.

2) Georgia, not Russia, started this war. Georgia invaded Ossetia trying to take control of the region and ethnically cleanse the Russian population.

3) The Georgian Army, commanded by their Minister of Defense (who is also an Israeli citizen), launched a surprise invasion and attack that caused the deaths of at least a thousand people in its first 24 hours. This attack was committed while the attention of the world was on the Olympics.

4) In the wake of Georgia

> BiefstukFriet wrote:

> "these are two facts: Abkhazia & S. Ossetia have repeatedly stated time & time again that they DO NOT WANT TO be a part of Georgia. They both have declared independence. Georgia will never get these territories back for as long Russia defends them. These areas should have a vote on what they want to do & the international community should respect that."

Only an idiot would let whole chunks of his nation just go about their own merry way. If the Southern Ossetians like the Russians so much they can emigrate.

for a start Ossetians are an ethnic group who predate the establishment of Georgia, secondly when Georgia seceded from the USSR in 1991 she was obligate to allow the autonymous republics to decide their future. Georgia denied them this right & have now fought two unsuccessful wars to regain control.

answer to elysian who wrote:
"1. they aren't russian citizens just because they hold russian passports."

they dropped georgian citizenship (many of them never had it to start with) to get the russian one.

And if your state does not allow you to drop its citizenship then it is a prison state

I hadn't heard Russia was going to liberate Ossetia.  Just kick Tblisi's folks out.  Then squat on it.

USA lets you "drop citizenship" by leaving.  You can't avoid taxes or the draft by renouncing US citizenship. (yes they tried)

Skoe? don't you hear the indigenous peoples crying out for liberation? That's cause you're not KGB trained!

"now let the facts talk for themselves"

already addressed those "facts".

"Skoe? don't you hear the indigenous peoples crying out for liberation? That's cause you're not KGB trained!"

so you dening that thos people in ostsetia want there independence?
and that that all the stuff happend in south ostsetia is all made up by the kgb the last 100 years?

i fail to get your point.. unless i'm right

"If I were the Georgian head of State I would've expelled their sorry arses into Northern Ossetia. And if Russia would've butted out of Georgia's internal dealings this war might have been over in a week, with as a result a more stable Georgia. Although one with a somewhat reduced population."

thats what georgia tried... but its called etnic cleansing... 

btw if no other countyr is willing to take them you just gas them? asking just out of curiosity

"Not willing to take them? They have Russian passports, do they not?"

that was a general questione.. not about this caese...

some Scots want independence, some dont. there's a difference.

the overwhelming majority of S. Ossetia voted for independence.

French Quebec wants to leave Canada. A overwhelming number of the ones who identify themselves as French voted to try to leave. The United States has given the vast majority of French Quebecs visa's or other means to enter the United States. The United States shall be invading to save Quebec from the nasty Canadians tomorrow then since the Canadians will be fighting on and on the United States will be forced to have it's troops secure all the oil fields of Canada so that eventually the Canadians will run out of oil and stop fighting.

Quebec has voted twice for independence & lost- albeit narrowly in 1995. & thats what counts- you certainly dont want to go down the route of saying- only so & so people's vote counts because they are a certain ethnic group. if French Quebec wants to leave Canada then their best bet is to try & ditch the parts that vote against independence & then they'll get independence. If I remember correctly the reason why they lost in 1995 was that one of the native tribes liviing in Northern Quebec demanded to secede from Quebec in the event of independence. They were told that would be allowed to happen (double standards really) & promptly the tens of thousands in this tribe promptly voted No.