We get all our gas from Russia anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if we were totally reliant on them in other ways too.

I might have agreed with you two weeks ago Hez but not anymore.

Wa wa wa. Russia has nukes. Big deal. Now they have nukes and Georgia. When they take out Ukraine they will still have nukes. When they "protect" Russian enclaves in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus,Moldava, Finland, Poland they will still have nukes. So what?

Nuclear war is an acceptable alternative to several outcomes.

We still have more missle subs that Russia can't get at. They can't do a first strike that obliterates our response capability to annihilate their economy. That's why we built a billion-dollar boat.

If we put 100 combat aircraft into Gerorgia we'd shred a couple of Russian tank regiments and war's over. If Russia responded with a nuke we'd slag them. But we don't have the balls to back our friends.

Today on the radio somebody said we lost our moral authority to oppose invasions. I literally do not know what that means. As if our bombs don't work without moral authority. Putin is crushing our friend because he is our friend. It's in our interest to scatter his army like sheep. BURN them!

I said send planes. We're not really using our Air Force in Iraq or Afghanistan, they can transport themselves in a few days, they'll be immediately effective.

And keep it at that level, let Russia see whether it wants to go nuclear over Ossetia

And I don't see how we can build and deploy and maintain nukes and then pretend its not an option. I'd sooner have nuclear war than see the democracies of the G7 subdued by a neofascist dictatorship

Well... the good news is the politics forum seems to be improving.  All it took was a stupid Georgian leader.  What the heck was he thinking? Did he really think he'd be able to keep it?  Any idiot would be able to lell you this would be the Russian's reaction and ofcourse they are using it as an excuse to destroy Georgian military.  They are teaching them a lesson, and unfortunately Russia will one out stronger at the end with even increased influence cause as it was said Russia used force and the powers that be did and seemingly can do nothing about it.  And yeah... I do see a "democratic" vote in those two regions and Russia makes one more step towards controlling even more of Europe's energy supply.  Why do I get the feeling that the French were the smartest when it comes to energy...

war coming closer to home..prelude to WW III?

offtopic: what happened with me topic asking bout JA Empire ?
anyone been in touch with him lately?

Hez, ur dreaming.  The Russians are winning.  the winners never want to concede anything.  And again as has been said what are you going to do, sanction Russia?  who will hurt?  Europe.  And yeah... Repeat after me, global reccision.  The recent fall in oil prices seem to be enough to delay or even abait it.  Any attempt of sanctionning Russia will completely reverse this.

Non-Agression pact, Russia will say that they were the ones attacked.  Whichever country you are from place yourself in their shoes.  If for some reason say a hurricane came to Mexico and US sent aid workers and the MExican army attacked California [ yeah yeah not perfect example] You think the Us would stop simply at removing the advancig troops?  Gerogia was idiotic to start this.

Russia likes to mess with other peoples affairs.  It's how they keep their influence, and check the map they seen NATO encrouaching on them, they are taking this opportunity to remind everyone what truely happens and that'll make new former Warsaw pact countries and Ex Soviet states think twice.

I completely agree Georgina President should be gone.  And Russia will demand conpensation from Georgia.  You just wait.  They may even dray up a bill for all the bombs and bullets they used.

And try and be as fair as possible how is anything you said in Russia's favor?  All of your proposals limit Russia and at best return the breakaway regions of Georgia to where they were before.

well if Russia shows it doesnt demand a harsh settlement then they earn respect dont they? proves they can be rational. they get what they want. Georgia comes to heel. S Ossetia & Abkazia either become satellite states or are incorporated into the Russian Federation. Russia also gives some token aid to Georgian civilians to show how kind they are.

"If you don't, we will get very angry with you. And we will write you a letter telling you how angry we are"--Hans Brix

Churchill nailed it. When you say "we will never fight country X" then all X's neighbors better ignore you and listen to X. Wtg asshats. Reap the whirlwind.

Kiss taiwan goodbye, Kiss the missle shield goodbye, I bet some folks leave NATO and the Arabs are going to patch it up with a nuclear Iran. I bet we get booted out of Pakistan and Kyzrghstan and Uzbekistan, if they want brokedick Westerners interfering with their politics they'll take the Brits who at least have more style than Michelle Obama.

Adolfkashvili  could  write a book "Blitzkrieg for Dummies"  in prison.

Russia is now advancing further into Georgia. what are they playing at? clearly this is wrong & is far beyond protecting their citizens.

What is Russia trying to do? They are trying to overthrow a democratically elected president, lol.

no they didnt but they did attack an autonymous province & shelled civilians.