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lol well the old one got deleted what with the forum gone so i make new one now 
everyone ask ur questions away
was research mathematically proven to be a waste of time? i dont recall
is it conducive under any circumstances to start a round and CF and convert to LQ gradually?
It is productive.
To gradually convert is not smart. Either do it a one go, start with it, or don't do it.
What's a good ratio of RC's and NW?
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How long should a CF banker wait to build the first TO? The first RC?
Okay I have like 6000 CFs and 2000 RCs..... is that enough RCs or should I have more?
I once calculated it, when you have about 44% income research, you get more cash per building from your CF's, so if you build CF's, you can fund more in research then with 1 RC. But CF's are more expensive, with RC's you wont forget to fund, but with CF's you can spend the cash otherwise when needed.
if ur playing as a CF/TO banker, whts better to do,
ob planets with rc's, and once research is sufficent, demo and build TO's,
or
just fund instead of building rc's?
i've had ppl telling me both methods are better than the other, so what u guys say?
I do 8%RC, 18% TO and about 70%CF
con bonus around 30-40% and u never have to fund.
in SD, before my EOR jump, my NW was about 2mil, and 1.2mil of that was research points 
Resourcing for most the round, then CFs and LQs in around 5:1 ratio (I guess, I dont really use ratios for building). Makes much higher income than pure CF, but without being as weak to magic (using Quantam race)
what happened to this thread guys!
where is zeros, hobo, fune, skoe! 
im sure ive missed someone but meh
NEVER MIX CASH FACTORIES WITH LIVING QUARTERS is your golden number one banking rule.
DO NOT MIX RC'S WITH TO'S is your golden number two banking rule
(and 40% construction for a cf banker is pathetic)
Those ratios are actually bullshit, if you have enough research, then you have enough rc's, if you need more research, then you need to build more. It's as easy as it sounds when you're cf/rc banking.
You should calculate how much research you will have with a certain amount of rc's. But since it takes a while to build them and before their effect is showed you will have grown some more nw and your calculations will prove fault. That's why ratios were invented, to keep your own growth parallell with your research's growth. But if you do not understand HOW and WHY we have ratios then LEARN it or you'll never be a good banker.
As for when to build TO's, I can give you the short crappy answer or the long detailed answer .
Short: When you reach 120k income (crappy answer)
use both what? Cf's and lq's? In that case you now know why your income sucks compared to your nw.
rc's and to's? Some do it, those few have never (or perhaps only) calculated it.
Assys fellates monkeys.
You're actually better off doing CFs, TOs and funding your research. Rather than building RCs. You'll have a greater income.
no i mean i use cf/rc/to
and i always beat whoever is in my fam and often im top 10
A thing you have to understand as a banker is that you are a slave of your family. You produce FOR THEM and for nobody else. Ending up in top 10 is not YOUR accomplishment it's THEIRS. Beating people in your fam is wrong, you don't have to beat them, you have to keep your attackers happy and that's all that matters. If you must compete, then compete with other families in total family income.
The use of cf/rc/to seems cheaper than cf/to/funding but that is just an illusion. What you COULD have for income is alot lower when you use rc's. Meaning you could have more income and the bigger part you could invest. True, although their income will be bigger, they will invest more into research so you'll have more "actual" income. (with this I mean, say he produces 5mill and you 4mill, then he'll have to throw in 1,5mill cash for research).
However in wars and saving time, they can just stop investing into research and by the time the war starts they will outsave you and win the war. That at least, is the theory. Feel free to do whatever you want, but most top fams in andro will not want a cf/TO/rc banker.
Economic efficiency for your net or fast progression and striving for first in the galaxy. Not entirely sure why you guys go out of your way for TO first wave. TO's produce pretty much what you put into them on a CF strategy, its pointless waste of time unless your trying to max out net/income ratio. What you have to concider is your income/building. TOs
dont produce income so saying that your making such and such per CF is pointless because you have to average it out between your non-income producing TOs as well. The CFs are producing income to first compensate then lastly generate a % gain over which doesn't exactly justify the extra iron and GC your using for the TO unless youve got a perfect ratio and no other buildings. So in all essence you are paying for a slightly more expensive CF that does take up slightly less building space/income generated and the worst part of all, in a constantly expanding income strategy, it doesn't even pay for itself near as fast as a CF so in the end, you've gained no efficiency beyond higher income per net/building space but an active CF jumper will overcome you in no time even if they have to pay just a little more for OB. The more active a banker can be, the faster a CF strategy will expand but extra activity is less effective on TO.
I'm not going to debate the whole buying research thing as I havent done all the math yet, just the use of TOs paired with non-LQs.
Try it, in a perfect expansion strategy, you'll notice that
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what happened to this thread guys!
where is zeros, hobo, fune, skoe!
im sure ive missed someone but meh
you mean some other person aye...
ANYWAY
I have a biigg question, bit stupid, but I want to 100% sure on this
DOES INCOME AFFECT RESOURCES??, say an income bonus of -30, would that affect resources in anyway?, would research bonus affect it in anyway?
> PW TR4NNY: Humidity wrote:
> what happened to this thread guys!
where is zeros, hobo, fune, skoe!
im sure ive missed someone but meh
Zeros left the game awhile back lol, but I convinced him to rejoin and play with me in capri
if you just cf/to what would the ideal ratio be
would it be the same as lq/to at around 70/30 / 60/40 ...
Thanks
For CF/TO banking the max income is 75/25 CF/TO but anything 20-25% TOs is fine
For LQ/TO it depends on the price of food but generally 60/40 LQ/TO is about right.
how many times do i have to explain this.
the best (most productive banker) is a POP. but you have to stay low NW so that your wizzies can protect your pop.
the best way is to do ten planets at the start in CF's, then the rest with TO's, then build your research on economy and welfare, and change out the CF's for TO's, you can go to 200% on TO's na still make more money.
second build your RC's out away from your base, once you got the points they are expendable.
and only build LQ's as needed when your research doesn't keep up.
LQ's should be the only thing you ever OB as a pop banker.
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