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Together with several bombardments by russian airplanes, russian tanks roll into georgia. Officially this is to protect russian troops in Ossetia.
Georgia calls for immediat and total mobilization.
Wonder how the rest of the world will react.
News programs/channels rejoice and cross their fingers for good footage. A fresh new war, hurray!
Well, Stalin was born in Georgia. Of course commie Putin must acquire Georgia, and what better time than during the Olympic games while he is in Beijing?
Putin has wonderful humor.
if Georgia really did attack the baracks of the russian peacekeeping force in that area then they had this coming....
btw i wonder why every contry is dening South Ossetia independence... i really fail to see a difference to Kosov...
are they better people as Osseties?
> Matrix wrote:
> if Georgia really did attack the baracks of the russian peacekeeping force in that area then they had this coming....
btw i wonder why every contry is dening South Ossetia independence... i really fail to see a difference to Kosov...
are they better people as Osseties?>>
Because supporting regional independence can be a double edged sword.
Who asked for a Russian peacekeeping force on Georgian soil? I say we smack the bear. Bad bear! Baaad bear!
Yell,
No longer can the US impose a unilateral foreign policy. We need to work with the other emerging great powers (Russia and China) by leaving their peripheral regions alone. We also need to work to cut down European power, because they of course are prone to idealistic/save the world motivations.
You'd be suprised at the reach of peripheries under that scheme!
For instance, China considers itself a former colony state ("Third World") so it naturally has much in common with former colony states in Africa and Latin America. Such as trade ties. And military deals. When we refused to send advisers to countries that wouldn't refuse to send us to the ICJ China started sending military advisers into Latin America. Is that their periphery? They think its part of their sphere of influence.
> TheYell wrote:
> You'd be suprised at the reach of peripheries under that scheme!>>
Yes, and so would ours. Japan, South America, some places in the Middle East. They'd be our toys!
And Eastern Europe would be Russia's toys. And it would scare the Western Europeans too, that's all ways a good thing to have them scared. When they are occupied with fear, they don't have time to pursue their save the world foreign policy.
Edit: To what you said.
Yes, they can keep their noses out of South America. I realize they have been mingling in South American affairs and doing things to undermine us, but we have been doing the same. There needs to be a formal policy of respect toward each other's peripheral areas, and an end to this indirect proxy war.
"their save the world foreign policy."
Pfft, that's just a front. The EU is just as power and money hungry as the other powers of the world.
Bief,
To be honest, I think that continental western Europeans actually are committed to ideology more so than you give them credit for.
I am a continental western European, and I can say that the EU is and always has been a economical entity first and foremost. All this newfangled political schemes are only ment for the creation of a more streamlined economy. The social aspects of the EU are the pasttime activities of bored Eurocrats.
Let's also not forget that those EU ideologies are very much tempered by the national politics of the member states.
> BiefstukFriet wrote:
> I am a continental western European, and I can say that the EU is and always has been a economical entity first and foremost. All this newfangled political schemes are only ment for the creation of a more streamlined economy. The social aspects of the EU are the pasttime activities of bored Eurocrats.
Let's also not forget that those EU ideologies are very much tempered by the national politics of the member states.>>
Hmm, well it still seems that the western Europeans are ideologues, at least the member states are. Maybe the EU has schemes to increase its "federation power," but due to the fact that the member states have a save the world attitude and actually commit to it (like sending aid to Africa when it is detrimental to their own long-term interests), I suspect a great deal of idealism.
We don't have friction with other countries because they seek a reasonable reduction of their Greater Sphere of Influence. We have friction because they want us to F off altogether.
"Hmm, well it still seems that the western Europeans are ideologues, at least the member states are. Maybe the EU has schemes to increase its "federation power," but due to the fact that the member states have a save the world attitude and actually commit to it (like sending aid to Africa when it is detrimental to their own long-term interests), I suspect a great deal of idealism."
This sentiment differs from nation to nation and even then national parlements are fractured on the matter. I can safely say that nations like France and Germany shape a wrong view of the EU as a whole.
Georgia can blame itself - they provoked russians by attacking south osetia and killing several russians who worked there as peace keeping force. 90% of south osetia people have russian citizenship
what was georgia thinking ?
its actuall interesting that (at least i read it) Georgie isn't allowed to join the nato (and they want to join the nato) as long as they don't control Ostsetia..
kind of idiotic if you ask me...
and yetsterday the un turned town a resolutione who asked to solve the conflict peacefully... mostly because of us and britan and france.. and today those natione demand that every site caese attacks.. lol
thousands dead reported, russians continue to push georgian troops out of south osetia's capital
it is sad this conflict is happening the day olympics are opening ( ment to promote peace in the whole world)
Ossetia is Georgian territory, who's next on the Russian hit list? They already figure they can murder people in London.
I don't think Georgia is the undeserving victim people want it to be. Remember the spyplane? But, conspiracy-paranoia aside, pro-western Georgia cannot join NATO (or anything else) as it wishes as long as part of it's country remains seperatist to the point of inviting in foreign troops to protect themselves, [Something worth remembering when thinking about the story of Georgian aggression]
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Off Topic: Putin is not Communist, not even the Communists were Communist, Putin is a right-wing clinical psychopath who only cares about wealth, power and his comb-over hair, and to call him Communist is like me calling Adolph Hitler a Republican: Intentionally ignorant and insulting.
I don't care what you call him, I don't like him, but please don't call him something that which he is most definitely not. K?
i think this article explains alot bout the essence of the conflict
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358
geopolitical experts note that on the surface level, the Russians are backing the separatists of S. Ossetia and neighboring Abkhazia as payback for the strengthening of American influence in tiny Georgia and its 4.5 million inhabitants. However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region...
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