1 (edited by Justinian I 04-Aug-2008 15:49:34)

Topic: How to restore America's power and resolve her problems

The basic principle that America needs to do is adopt no values and strictly commit to a pragmatic domestic and foreign policy. At the moment, America is a very idealist driven country. We have Obama who has appealed to a populist agenda, but whose policies would add to the all ready horrendous inefficiency of the nation. Then there are the religious right who commit to values that are a contradiction to pragmatism. For example, the idea that abortion should be banned would increase the stress on the state. Then there is the abstinence policy that is very unrealistic and causes people to be unable to make informed calculations of the risks they face when they are no longer able to remain abstinent (as what mostly happens). Not that religion isn't an extension of politics or an important tool, but never should it be considered above the practical realities faced by those who are making political decisions.

Unlike Obama, I have some solutions. Here are some of my recommendations.

Public Education:

1. Destroy the teacher's unions
- this will allow greater merit in the hiring process, and permit schools to fire poor teachers without the mile long of red tape imposed by the teacher's unions.
- As a consequence of improved merit of teachers, the students will be exposed to an optimal education considering the practical limitations.

2. "No public funding until frivolous expenses are cut."
-Public funding can not go to pay for frivolous costs that are causing our public education to be unnecessarily expensive. For example, remove the sports teams, the swimming pools, outdoor stadiums and music programs. We can keep the gyms for gym class and that's it.

3. Higher standards
-Our education standards are pathetic. We need to raise them, and have a greater focus on math and science.

4. No more post-modernism
-It's bs and pollutes the minds of our young.

Economy:

1. Less regulation
-With less government intervention, the greater efficiency and thus better service consumers receive.

2. Relax environmental standards
-Using natural gas as a substitute to coal is inefficient and raises prices.

3. Build more nuclear power plants
-It's efficient, clean, and safe.

4. Drill domestic oil
-With more supply, the lower the price.

5. Let Toyota overwhelm America's auto industry
-Lets face it, America's auto industry sucks. Force them to be competitive or be whiped out.

Law and Order:
1. Clear laws that everyone understands
-The law codes are ridiculous

2. Raise the harshness of punishment
-Face it, repeat felons are parasites and will always be. Execute them.

3. Prompt executions
-If you're going to have a death penalty, don't make it inefficient and more costly than life imprisonment.

Government:

1. Turn it in to an efficient machine
-Government exists because it delivers services. It doesn't exist as part of a social contract, by God, or whatever else. Fact is, a government that can not deliver comes to ruin. If you want to remain in power, then you need to efficiently and effectively deliver. This also means reducing the size of government in order to be efficient and cutting back on red tape.

2. Low, flat income tax
-The Fair Tax is dumb, but so is our current one. Fact is it isn't progressive and never will be, and it's so complicated we might as well substitute it with a low flat tax with the minimum number of deductions. That will simplify the system and increase investments in the economy (no capital gains tax/more money in people's pockets with lower tax). It will also reflect the smaller, more efficient government.

Foreign Policy:

1. General
-Challenging the Russians and forcing them to side with the Chinese against us is very dumb. So is entangling our ground forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and thinking we can bring democracy to a land without a middle class. We not disturb the peace of other great powers by mingling in the affairs of their peripheral zones (countries you influence), and expect that they leave ours alone too (South Americans are our toys). This means leaving Eastern Europe to Russia.

2. Cooperate with the other great powers
-It is in both side's interests to cooperate, rather than America acting with a unilateral foreign policy. Pulling stuff in Eastern Europe is only building formidable alliances against us, and is definitely not a strategic move.

3. Mobility and Terror
-The military policy of "overwhelming force" is the most idiotic military idea ever created. Mobility and Terror has frequently defeated overwhelming force. Consider the Carthaginians completely destroying the Roman army at Canae by being more mobile and having tactical superiority. Also consider how the Bulgarians were able to defeat the 80,000 strong Byzantine army by being more mobile and surrounding them. Even better, consider Ghengis Khan. The Mongol army really wasn't that large or able to occupy the empire it did. It was just very fast, and very ruthless. This advantage allowed it to defeat very power empires that relied on strength, such as the Persian Empire, and command the loyalty of its subjects. America has the most powerful airforce in the world, and it should use the mobility and terror this can offer. This would allow us to strike hard anywhere, preventing anyone like Hugo Chavez from challenging our imperial grip. By entangling ourselves in two countries with "overwhelming force," we commit ourselves to higher casualties and higher expenses - and make ourselves vulnerable to other political forces who wish to undermine our power. It's cheaper in terms of $ and life for us to use mobility and terror with our air force. Our ground forces should be used to occupy strategic locations.

4. Defend the anarchism of international politics
-Silly Europeans and other countries tend to think that there can be active international courts. We should have no interest in that, and continue to respect the old ways, where international justice was carried out by an "anarchistic peerage." If you were a big bulley who threw his weight around, alliances would form to limit or oust you. If you were total slime, you would be judged and punished by that peerage. As a result, we should not compel other states to form alliances against us by being big bullies. The world is now changing, other powers can challenge the US economically and furthermore the world is also economically interdependent. Having a more diplomatic and cooperative foreign policy can thus be a lot cheaper and more effective, but at the same time a powerful "mobility and terror" military can be a useful tool to achieve our goals.

And those are some of my ideas for now.

Re: How to restore America's power and resolve her problems

Summer is nigh

Re: How to restore America's power and resolve her problems

sure we have problems.  1/3 of our population needs purged

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Yell, you think we only need to purge 1/3? I was thinking more like 2/3...

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Every living republican! tongue

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No the libs!

Send them to Europe!

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7 (edited by avogadro 04-Aug-2008 20:17:33)

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looks like justinian has it in for jocks and intellectuals. smile yes, burn the fields and books so that the only place our children have to go after school is to a gang or 4chan because thats gonna make our future so much brighter.

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but both coach and the music teacher tell kids they don't measure up and have to leave. So where does that get you?

let's start teaching kids how to gamble and fight as an infantry squad  after school

that's more fun than marijuana and making out

and they'll use it in later life

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: How to restore America's power and resolve her problems

LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS

it is funny to see how history repeats itself - all major empires died because of inner causes namely corruption and military overspending

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But the government owes you more means!!!  Everybody relevant says so!!! /sarcasm

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: How to restore America's power and resolve her problems

avo,

No I don't mind if people like sports or books. But then you pay your own money and go to a private organization. Don't force the tax payers to do it. As for books, I only said post modernism. It's idiotic nonsense that prevails in the liberal arts, but fails to respond to criticism from scientific and mathematical circles.

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I'd thrive in a society like that, either that or I'm screwed. But I like your thinking, make it so!

Je maintiendrai

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> Justinian I wrote:

> avo,

No I don't mind if people like sports or books. But then you pay your own money and go to a private organization. Don't force the tax payers to do it. As for books, I only said post modernism. It's idiotic nonsense that prevails in the liberal arts, but fails to respond to criticism from scientific and mathematical circles.

if it is idiotic nonsense that fauls to respond from scientific and mathematical circles, then it should be covered in school inorder to expose it for what it is.

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Many good posts, some stupid, but mostly good.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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It seems to me that alot of you are extremists here, especially the so-called conservatives.
It doesn't make sense to call yourself conservative and want quick change. Conservatives want slow change, they think quick change will throw the system all of balance: BW,Flint,JA,avogrado- your all neo-liberals and before you start protesting look up the term. It's the same as conservative, but neo-liberals want change quicker...

....you could say it's....*da daaa* extremist.

and don't worry reagans policys were also neo-liberal, altough he didn't call himself that.

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4. No more post-modernism
-It's bs and pollutes the minds of our young.

How do you want to enforce that?

The inmates are running the asylum

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"4. No more post-modernism
-It's bs and pollutes the minds of our young."

Getting youngsters in touch with different philosophical ideas is one of the basic ideas of education. Cutting some, cause they're not as constructive as you'd like, is censoring and sounds a lot like fascism to me. Post-modernism doesn't "pollute" the minds, apathy is a product of feeling excluded in society.

"2. Low, flat income tax
-The Fair Tax is dumb, but so is our current one. Fact is it isn't progressive and never will be, and it's so complicated we might as well substitute it with a low flat tax with the minimum number of deductions. That will simplify the system and increase investments in the economy (no capital gains tax/more money in people's pockets with lower tax). It will also reflect the smaller, more efficient government."

A flat-tax is and always will be unfair, and worse, bad for the economy. What a lot of Smithian economists seem to forget is that you need a large number of consumers to buy all those products you make (remember Ford!). Introducing a flat tax harms the bottom half of your society, who will buy less and that will eventually lead to overproduction and a collapsed economy (in fact this is what happened in the '30s)...

"4. Defend the anarchism of international politics
-Silly Europeans and other countries tend to think that there can be active international courts. We should have no interest in that, and continue to respect the old ways, where international justice was carried out by an "anarchistic peerage." If you were a big bulley who threw his weight around, alliances would form to limit or oust you. If you were total slime, you would be judged and punished by that peerage. As a result, we should not compel other states to form alliances against us by being big bullies. The world is now changing, other powers can challenge the US economically and furthermore the world is also economically interdependent. Having a more diplomatic and cooperative foreign policy can thus be a lot cheaper and more effective, but at the same time a powerful "mobility and terror" military can be a useful tool to achieve our goals."

Apart from Hitler and Mussolini, only a few bastards were removed from their position. If you don't want to be put to trial by an international court, pull out of the UN, and you don't have to worry about it in the first place. It won't be more effective, it would just be easier to dominate for large powers like the USA.

What you displayed Justinian is fear. You fear the USA is steadily losing his alfa-male status in the world, and that frightens you.

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"A flat-tax is and always will be unfair, and worse, bad for the economy. What a lot of Smithian economists seem to forget is that you need a large number of consumers to buy all those products you make (remember Ford!). Introducing a flat tax harms the bottom half of your society, who will buy less and that will eventually lead to overproduction and a collapsed economy (in fact this is what happened in the '30s)..."

It's not unfair because the rich people will still be paying more money + it's very simple(decreases government spending) Also the less you tax corporations,buisnesses the less money they'll ask for products/services.Also if your country has low/flat tax, more international buisnesses will come and provide more jobs. Although I agree that an economy with a flat tax is more unstable.my countries economic growth in last year was 12% this year it's predicted to be 0,5 but next year it should be about 7% and we have a flat tax of 20%.

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

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"1. Destroy the teacher's unions"

Difficult as if I'm not mistaken unions in general are protected by the government so you would need to remove that protection from all unions before you could destroy the teacher's union and then keep it removed since as soon as they can they will start up another one.  Also teaching public school is not a fun job, I don't know many teachers who actually enjoy it, so without the perks the unions offer you will have fewer people willing to work in the public sector, opting instead for private institutions, leaving you with the people the private schools don't want and probably wanting a lot more money than they're making now.

"2. "No public funding until frivolous expenses are cut.""

Makes sense

"3. Higher standards"

I'd add more expulsions.  If someone is having difficulty learning that's one thing, hand but if someone frequently shows they have no desire to learn give them the boot.

"4. No more post-modernism"

I was never really exposed to post modernism so I have no idea on it's merits or lack there of.

"Also the less you tax corporations,buisnesses the less money they'll ask for products/services."

I've never understood this way of thinking.  Let's say that a company sells a product for $20 and needs to take $5 from each sale to cover their taxes, $10 for production, and another $5 for profit.  Now let's say taxes were cut so they only needed to take $1 from each sale for taxes will they drop the price to $16?  The answer is no they will just take that remaining $4 as extra profit.  Keep in mind that business owners are in business for the sole purpose of making money, they are not going to lower their prices just because their costs drop.

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> DPS wrote:

>
I've never understood this way of thinking.  Let's say that a company sells a product for $20 and needs to take $5 from each sale to cover their taxes, $10 for production, and another $5 for profit.  Now let's say taxes were cut so they only needed to take $1 from each sale for taxes will they drop the price to $16?  The answer is no they will just take that remaining $4 as extra profit.  Keep in mind that business owners are in business for the sole purpose of making money, they are not going to lower their prices just because their costs drop.

thats assuming a monopoly. if company B is selling a similar product except it costs them $12 for production and they initially have to sell for $22; with a 4$ decrease in taxes, they could lower their prices beneath the first company and the first company would need to lower its prices to see the same kind of profits they had before the lower taxes.

also, even if neither company lowered their prices; where do you think the profit goes to? many companies dont give their shareholders any money, their profits go into improving the company which means better products at lower prices in the future.

21 (edited by avogadro 05-Aug-2008 15:00:40)

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"Difficult as if I'm not mistaken unions in general are protected by the government so you would need to remove that protection from all unions before you could destroy the teacher's union and then keep it removed since as soon as they can they will start up another one.  Also teaching public school is not a fun job, I don't know many teachers who actually enjoy it, so without the perks the unions offer you will have fewer people willing to work in the public sector, opting instead for private institutions, leaving you with the people the private schools don't want and probably wanting a lot more money than they're making now."

no... all they would need to do is make a law making teacher's unions illegal...

if fewer teachers want to teach at public schools, and more want to go private, that will allow private schools to expand and multiply which is a good thing considering private schools do a much better job of teaching kids. with fewer kids and teachers, the public schools will be better off in funding, and they'll need to address the problems with their practices the makes kids and teachers gravitate towards private schools and fix them.

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"thats assuming a monopoly."

or collusion.

"no... all they would need to do is make a law making teacher's unions illegal..."

On what basis?  Where I live police can't have unions but it's on the basis that a municipality can't afford to have it's police not working if there's a strike.  You can't say the same about schools.  Not saying it can't be done but there needs to be some rational basis for making teacher's unions illegal or I'm sure someone's going to contest the law.  I'm not sure who they'd contest to, Supreme Court I suppose.

"if fewer teachers want to teach at public schools, and more want to go private, that will allow private schools to expand and multiply which is a good thing considering private schools do a much better job of teaching kids."

If students follow the same pattern as teachers yes.  If however the case is that all the parents who can or want to send their children to private school are doing so increasing the number of teachers available changes nothing.

"with fewer kids and teachers, the public schools will be better off in funding,..."

Except that schools, at least I'm fairly certain about this, receive funding based on the number of students.  So fewer students = less funding given with the surplus from all the teachers and students going private most likely being allocated elsewhere in the government budget.

"...and they'll need to address the problems with their practices the makes kids and teachers gravitate towards private schools and fix them."

If having to regularly lower their standards hasn't caused them to adress the problems in their practices what makes you think this will?

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"
On what basis?  Where I live police can't have unions but it's on the basis that a municipality can't afford to have it's police not working if there's a strike.  You can't say the same about schools.  Not saying it can't be done but there needs to be some rational basis for making teacher's unions illegal or I'm sure someone's going to contest the law.  I'm not sure who they'd contest to, Supreme Court I suppose."

i think you could use the same basis as police officers. a municipality cant afford to have its kids uneducated.

"If students follow the same pattern as teachers yes.  If however the case is that all the parents who can or want to send their children to private school are doing so increasing the number of teachers available changes nothing."

bigger private schools and a larger pool of teachers to choose from means cheaper rates for private school students meaning more people capable of going to private schools.

"
Except that schools, at least I'm fairly certain about this, receive funding based on the number of students.  So fewer students = less funding given with the surplus from all the teachers and students going private most likely being allocated elsewhere in the government budget."

i think its the federal funding thats dependent on the number of students, not sure though.