Safer than that at least!

if the driver had a gun, the victum's life could of been saved; how many more lives must be lost to knife violence before you learn from your ways?

"if the driver had a gun, the victum's life could of been saved;"

Well that depends on if the initial stabbing was fatal.  The guy was stabbed and, according to witnesses, decapitated.  Now if the first stab was to say the heart there's not a whole lot of good the bus driver having a gun would have done.

>>Caton said he heard a "blood-curdling scream" and turned around to see the attacker holding a large "Rambo" hunting knife above the victim, "continually stabbing him in the chest area."<<

Chances are good by the time the bus driver drew a gun, aimed, and got a shot off; keep in mind people were panicking at this point shown by:

>>"It looked kind of like a scuffle or an argument, you know, and then somebody's, like, 'Knife! Knife! Run!' so I was running up the alleyway, slapping people telling them to get going, move, get off the bus. I got pushed over, some lady got pushed over, I was just making sure everybody was OK, and we all got off the bus," said Olmstead<<

So by the time the bus driver would have been able to shoot the guy the victim would most likely have been dead already.

Sometimes guns can help a situation, this was not one of those times.  The only thing that would have changed is that we'd have 2 dead bodies instead of one dead body and a criminal.  Lateral move in my opinion.  Now had the guy who first seen the dude getting stabbed had a gun, maybe that would have made a difference, but not the driver.

DPS, thats complete bullshit reasoning.  you're coming to a conclusion because thats the conclusion that you want to reach and not what the information suggests.

then there was "it looked like a scuffle", so the victim was struggling with the assailant, giving the driver precious time to draw his weapon. and it shows that the victum most likely wasnty mortally wounded.

everyone would not need to exit for the gun to be effective without endangering other people's lives. if the driver pulled out a gun and pointed it at the attacker, the path from the driver to the attacker would of cleared immediatly, no one wants to sit infront of the barrel of a gun.  and buses are small and have emergency exits for extremely quick exits, it would not take long at all for the buss to be emptied; and the account makes it sound like it didnt.

several people were going to head back into the bus to save the victim, indicating they saw a big enough chance that the victim was alive to risk confronting an armed man.

so its extremely likely that a gun could of saved him.

"then there was "it looked like a scuffle", so the victim was struggling with the assailant, giving the driver precious time to draw his weapon."

True, but I don't think to people arguing is reasonable cause for most people to draw a fire arm.  Until someone yelled "Knife!" the bus driver probably thought it was just people fighting and probably yelled at them to stop.

"everyone would not need to exit for the gun to be effective without endangering other people's lives. if the driver pulled out a gun and pointed it at the attacker, the path from the driver to the attacker would of cleared immediatly, no one wants to sit infront of the barrel of a gun.  and buses are small and have emergency exits for extremely quick exits, it would not take long at all for the buss to be emptied; and the account makes it sound like it didnt."

People were panicking, they were running towards an exit and some were even knocked to the ground.  You think people are going to react rationally when they've got a psycho with a knife behind them and potentially another one in front with a gun?  You really give people WAY too much credit.  Regardless lets say it took the bus driver 2 - 3 seconds to get out of his seat, draw a fire arm, and shoot and lets say you're right and everyone got out of his way almost immediately.  In that time you can get a fair number of stabs in and considering the guy was most likely intent on killing the chances that the victim would have survived are still fairly small.

"several people were going to head back into the bus to save the victim, indicating they saw a big enough chance that the victim was alive to risk confronting an armed man."

Or it was a knee jerk reaction to try.  You need to remember the mental state these people were in; they were not acting methodically, they were not calmly assessing the situation and weighing the risks they were in a life and death situation and most likely running on sheer impulse.  In the case of the three who went back for the guy it could have been they saw a chance for survival, unlikely as from the article it seems the man was positioned essentially over the victim obscuring the view, or they just reacted on an impulse to try and save him.

I wouldn't go as far to say that.  I do agree there are some scenarios where someone having a gun can stop people from harming others.  However as I said this was not one of those times.

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The real issue isn't about wether guns would have changed anything. I don't think it would have."

ofcoarse you dont think so, you're against the use of guns

"If the murderer had had a gun he could have killed several people instead of just one."

the murderer could of killed several people with the knife... it wasnt his intention though, so even if he had a gun, he would of most likely only killed 1 person.

What i dont get is that obviously this guys got some sort of mental health problem how come it wasnt discovered.... It amazes me that he didnt have proffesinal care he was obviously deranged enough to knife some guy to death.... Also another thing if some of the passengers had fought they would have won if one man has a knfe and is jumped by about 4-5 men hes gonna have little time to use it.. I think most ppl were concerened about their own safety

Frenzy
My President is black, infact hes half white so even in a racist mind hes half right

Saw this on the news when I was having my breakfast, pretty brutal. It's almost as bad as the guy who killed his mother, cut of her face and whilst wearing her face tried to direct traffic.

And the kid was still asleep, I can't even imagine how it must have been to wake up to that, poor bastard!

"The man stabbed the lad several times, without any reason; so no one saw it coming. The lad would have died anyway, he was have been injured too badly to survive before anyone realised what was going on."

since when has being stabbed acouple times eliminate all chances of survival? he would have a great chance of survival considering he was on a bus that could quickly transport him to a hospital and there was probably a first aid kit on the bus for immediate attention. the way you talk, knives are more lethal then guns.