Topic: Sicko

Today i have just see Sicko. I have watch it in order to try to see some of Black Wing views in universal education and medical care. After  I find it incredible, how you can send help around the world and then you cannot help each other.

Know i have some questions.

1-What happens if you can't get medical insurance? 
2-Do you have things like for exemple "You can't spend more than 30000$ each year in medical care?", "This illness is not cover by your insurance?" or "You only have 4 sick days per year?"
3-Can you tell me how much do you pay per year for you insurance?
4-Do you like this system? What are, in your opinion, the advantages and disadvantages?
5-Would you like an Universal health care?

2 (edited by Justinian I 11-Mar-2008 10:42:56)

Re: Sicko

My parents pay $10,000 a year in health insurance.

The system sucks. It's very inefficient. We need to swap HMOs and other things like their immunity to civil law suits.

Part of everyone's health insurance goes to pay for the parasites who can't and need emergency care.

Re: Sicko

In the UK, pretty much any treatment is covered at the most basic level needed - unless it involves new "unproven" expensive drugs (which the media likes to rant about). Some people do complain that they could get a better treatment abroad, and in that case - they should just go abroad and get it instead of sitting here whining about it big_smile

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Re: Sicko

I use prayer.

Its free  big_smile

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Re: Sicko

"I use prayer.

Its free"
-BW, silting your wrist has a higher success rate.

"Yeah, how dare people need medical attention. They should just hurry up and suffer in silence."
-Yeah, instead of whing because they can't afford proper healthcare, everyone should just pray and throw themselves on the mercy of God. Of course that is the Right way of doing things.

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Re: Sicko

Canadian thinks:
If you are  sick,  "silting your wrist has a higher success rate."  Than Prayer.

I disagree.  I think Prayer has a better chance of success.

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Re: Sicko

If anyone in America wants health insurance they should work for a hospital.

Re: Sicko

Don't you guys bar liver transplants to people who are too old?  What do they count on?

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9 (edited by Selur Ku 16-Mar-2008 14:40:27)

Re: Sicko

No, people who are 90+ and want a liver transplant can still get it privately.

But under the NHS system a 5 year old from a poor family would get priority over a rich 90 yr old.

Whereas in your country the 5 year old would die unless his family had medical insurance or could somehow find a way to pay.

Re: Sicko

Amazing how people think they know America so well.

The Rich 90 yr old, would probably foot the bill for the 5 yr old.


In your country, they just let some Govt. Official play God.

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Yes, the power of Prayer, and my faith have given me the strength and opportunity to be able to provide for my family.

Yes, faith in Prayer and God make me a better person.

Faith in God makes me a better person.


You all believe in your Govt. to provide for you........You have faith in your appointed gods, to decide what is best for you all.

I would rather have the ability to decide what is best for me and my family.

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Its good you all do your research on such matters though. 

Sicko and Michael Moore are great sources of information.
Good job.

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Re: Sicko

"You all believe in your Govt. to provide for you........You have faith in your appointed gods, to decide what is best for you all."
- And you belive in your god to provide for you:) And you don't care of the 727304 homeless people without homes in your country, no way that you would help them, they deserve to be where they are ofc. Such nice place. Sigh.

Or to talk about the health insurence.

"Nearly 47 million Americans, or 16 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2005, the latest government data available."

http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml

Nice:) But if they get ill then that's what they deserve according to BW.

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Re: Sicko

b/w youre missing the point.

In the Uk we do have a choice, we have private health care, health insurance same as you have.

But in addition we have a National health service that guarantees a good standard of health care to everyone regardless of ability to pay.

Of course the NHS has finite resources, and has to make choices. It cannot offer free boob jobs or facelifts to everyone, and some non life threating ailments have a waiting list, but nobody dies because they cant afford emergency care.

The NHS is not something thats imposed on us by government, its there because the British pepole strongly beleive that health care should be available to all regardless of ability to pay.

Any government that tried to get rid of it would soon find themselves out of office.

Yes we pay for it through our taxes, but most of us are happy to pay for it even if we dont use it/need it.

Re: Sicko

@ Selur.  So does the US.

This is like a round and round conversation that you non-Americans just do not comprehend.
The US provides for those that do not have the means to get Health Coverage.
ANY individual can walk into a hospital,..... No matter if they have coverage or not, and be treated.

If you are an Illegal Alien, or someone w/o any health insurance.....w/o any Identification.....you cannot be denied medical attention.

Tell me, In the UK, or any other Euro country:
Can you walk into an Emergency room w/o ID and be treated ?
Can you walk into an Emergency room w/o your health card or w/o insurance coverage and be treated ??
Can an illegal get medical attention ??

Walk in.  Not an emergency victim.  A walk in.

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@ Dragon.
couple of facts for you:

1.   In a country of an estimated 301 million (2007 CIA fact book, Estimated) There are those that live on the street, as a preference.
Is this a concept that is to hard to comprehend ??  I suggest you research it.  Its a fact.

2.  The US at the state level spends huge amounts of money housing the poor. 
Research  Section 8 Housing.  Social Services from any state.  Use New York a liberal state, and Use Texas a Conservative state.  You will see the same outcome.  PLENTY of public housing.

3.  Health Insurance is not a necessity.  Its not a strange concept.  Many years I went w/o coverage as a single guy.
a.  If I needed a doctor, I went and paid for it.....rarely so in my late 20's
b.  If I needed hospital stay..... I was a veteran.  No worries, I go to a VA hospital.
I was uninsured.  Tossing out "numbers" doesnt tell anything.


The best is this....Dragon......read further down on your link.
Of course you didnt, you found the biased message you needed to fill what you receive to be the situation:

What additional costs are created by the uninsured population?


The United States spends nearly $100 billion per year to provide uninsured residents with health services, often for preventable diseases or diseases that physicians could treat more efficiently with earlier diagnosis.14
Hospitals provide about $34 billion worth of uncompensated care a year.14
Another $37 billion is paid by private and public payers for health services for the uninsured and $26 billion is paid out-of-pocket by those who lack coverage.14
The uninsured are 30 to 50 percent more likely to be hospitalized for an avoidable condition, with the average cost of an avoidable hospital stayed estimated to be about $3,300.14
The increasing reliance of the uninsured on the emergency department has serious economic implications, since the cost of treating patients is higher in the emergency department than in other outpatient clinics and medical practices.11
A new study found that 29 percent of people who had health insurance were

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Re: Sicko

BW BW BW BW BW, always missing the point are we?
Yea your government helps people in big need a little. But if you got what you wanted they wouldn't. And that was my point. Really don't see how you can miss that, but I guess you feel a desperate need to defend your country:)

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Re: Sicko

USA is the only advanced industrialised country in the world without a universal health care system.

Its no surprise that the uninsured/underinsured are a drain on the emergency services, since they tend to avoid treatmnet at an early stage through fear of medical bills.

The USA system is also highly inefficient with over a thousand healthcare providers and an estimated 15-20% of costs going to administration.

The Uk NHS system includes free primary care for all, nobody needs to put off going to the docotors through fear of cost.

16 (edited by Justinian I 16-Mar-2008 19:19:31)

Re: Sicko

Selur,

-The US also has reservations against socialist projects + we have a strong cultural identity to capitalism.
-It would be difficult to provide universal health care to one of the largest and most populous countries in the world.
-Europe is culturally attached to the welfare state. If a political figure talked about a welfare state in America, people would make fun of him.

Also

Our health care, because it is not capitalist, is inefficient. Back in the the 80s, seeing a doctor cost you about $50.00, and clinics shared technology. Today, seeing a doctor costs you like $200.00 or more if you don't have health insurance. Know what the doctors did? When their special patients received a discount from HMOS, they busted up the standard price. Now people pay about the same they did then if they have health insurance, and get killed if they don't. Moreover, only 30% of the money that goes in to health care actually gets to the patient. Tell me how that isn't inefficient?

Re: Sicko

Justinian- im not disagreeing with you, I already said the USA healthcare system is inefficient.

Re: Sicko

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/48744094_new-report-shows-how-many-people-are-likely-die-mi
http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/newsroom/press-releases/2008-press-releases/new-report-shows-how-many.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/healthcare/2002-05-22-insurance-deaths.htm

obviously, the distinct fact that people are dying in usa because of their poor excuse for a health care system is mere propaganda. in truth, those people who died because of a bad system are alive and well. a left winger conspiracy unit has transferred them to a distant island in the pacific. there they can live on their pension fund in life full of luxury.

and just as obviously, none of the sources i provided are trustworthy because of left-wing media and journalist elitists and satanist communists and waa waa waa.

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Re: Sicko

"
The United States spends nearly $100 billion per year to provide uninsured residents with health services, often for preventable diseases or diseases that physicians could treat more efficiently with earlier diagnosis.14"

Do you understand that it is not the money you spend? But how you spend? If you have seen Sicko, you will see that a men had to choose from one finger over another because he had no money or insurance.. how is that possible?

Re: Sicko

> Freelancer wrote:

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Do you understand that it is not the money you spend? But how you spend? If you have seen Sicko, you will see that a men had to choose from one finger over another because he had no money or insurance.. how is that possible?


Was it between the Ring and Middle?  If so, I would so say that the Ring would have to go.  Hey, if I'm married, I don't think it would matter (in the case of love) whether a ring finger was present or not.  However, when you want to silently say "F-U!" while driving down the freeway at 70 MPH...you kinda need that finger.

Re: Sicko

[RPA]Sir SupAll
Ehh, nobody should ever have to make such a choise...

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Re: Sicko

Seems like the doctor was an asshole.  Why bother asking someone such a question.

People stick knitting needles in their ears, and drink household cleaners on accident.

Im sure you can SINGLE OUT a shit load of stupid stories anywhere you look for them.

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Re: Sicko

Don't remember if it was the doc or the insurence company (think it was the 2nd though).

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Re: Sicko

Doctors need to be paid alot. Look at what they have to go through to become doctors.

And do you think it's easy to be responsible for another persons health and life when if you make one wrong move you could get sued by a fat a-hole who had a heart attack only because he eats to much.

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Re: Sicko

DISCLAIMER
The following statement is not posted to bash you on your spelling. I promote correct spelling even if I don't use it:p.

It is 'too much'.

And yeah I do think you are right.

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