Agreed and agreed. Racism is only practiced by a miniscule white minority and by the majority of blacks and hispanics in this nation. Blacks only suffer racism in sufficient levels from Hispanics any more.

lol I for one know that black people are indeed discriminated against being black myself. As far as the appearance thing....it doesn't really matter how you dress, a person who is racist is going to be racist no matter what.

I dress in suits or just a shirt and tie at work, polo T's and jeans when I'm out, slacks/jeans and a long button up the rest of the time. Every once in a while you'll see me in something that I suppose would associate me with "da hood" but regardless of how I dress, ever heard of the expression that "clothes don't make the man"?

The way that a person dictates themselves, speaks toward others and conducts their buisness should be the determining factor as to whether that person is acceptable to be in your personal company. The appearance situation is going to be a situation because it associates a person with a particular race. It's different if you're in a certain enviornment where there is a dress code, but otherwise, it's all racial.

I've had police pull me over simply because my car doesn't look like anything that they feel I could afford and give me tickets for something as miniscule as driving while on a cell phone. Despite the fact that I was calling to tell my job that I was running 10 minutes late. Cops have pulled me over simply because they were "Doing routine stops". I've had a policeman pull me over because I bought a new car and he wanted to verify that I was the owner. No matter how you see it, it's racial profiling. Something that you can't understand unless you're the target of it. I'm not saying 100% of all incidents where someone claims discrimination is true, but I seriously doubt you Flint or you Justin can comprehend the embarassment and sheer harassment that the law enforcement can give to a person.

The name that you hand in on your job application can get you turned away from employers because they feel that you don't fit the description of what they want without even reading your application. I've seen this first hand.

Anyhow, this is not an argument that a person who isn't a target of racism can really give accurate feedback to.

"as miniscule as driving while on a cell phone"

is talking on the phone while driving against the law in your state?

lol no Simon, it surely isn't. And I got the ticket overturned in court.

Justin, I'm not letting my emotions cloud my reasoning or influence my judgement.

There are all kinds of things that go on here in the united states that are obviously racism.

For example, 3 young caucasian men in their 20's decided to one day beat up a black man who was 43 years old I believe. He was just getting off the bus on his way home from work when they jumped on him. He was sent to the hospital and is now permanently brain damaged with 3 children and a single father. The men who beat him up were released after 6 weeks in jail and given probation. The man can never work again due to his condition. He won a lawsuit that his relatives filed for him but the men pretty much got off scot free.

Ok not long after that, there was a case where a white guy in high school hung a noose on the cafeteria table where this group of black kids liked to sit outside. He mocked one of the boys who found it there and the two got into a shouting match. The black kid and 5 of his friends beat up the white kid ended up getting into a fight (both were 16 I think) and they both got sent home. Later on that night, there was a school dance and the kids who sat at the table and the white kid and some of his friends went to the dance.

More words were exchanged, initated by the white kid and one of the boys got into a fight with the white kid. The school then called the police and both parties were made to leave.

The white kid was suspended from school for 3 days, the 6 black kids were thrown in jail and charged with aggravated assault, attempted murder and some other charges. One was a 17 year old football player at the school and he was facing 20 years in prison with adult charges. Some of the others were facing similar charges with the minimum being 3 years in prison. All were facing expulsion.

I hear about crap like this all the time. So you'll have to excuse me if I deny your statement justin that racism are overblown. While I do believe that a lot of situations use the word racism loosely like Primo stated, the situation in America for minorities is extreme. Again, if you haven't experienced it then you can't understand it.

Agreed. Racism still takes place, however the conditions have improved and people know to be more subtle or evasive about it now. Although nowadays it's becoming more acceptable for someone confronted about it to simply say everyone else is being too politically correct, or that they can't possibly be racist because they've got <insert race> friend/wife.

lol I like some of the Republican views but I have yet to see a republican candidate that I feel comfortable with. I personally am not into the frat thing myself. Never cared for them. Maybe I'm just not a group person =p

But anyhow the discrimination in America and the world for that matter goes so far beyond black and white. The reason why your argument cannot really hold much weight with me Justin is because there are all kinds of things going on that are overlooked/forgotten. Some people are not getting hired because they are overweight. A lot of stores in malls, particularly clothing stores won't hire you if you are overweight. They want to attract "pretty" people. I've read this in an article last year.

Jewish people are discriminated against as heavily as blacks are.

Homosexuals are probably the most discriminated against worldwide.

Women (as shown by the democratic election this year) still have a ton of bias towards them.

Muslims are catching incredible heat and have been since 9/11 occurred.

Military veterans, Pregnant women, Christians, Teenagers, Computer "Geeks".....

I don't really care for discrimination discussions too much because people seem to discuss black/white a lot but there are other discrimination targets who have it just as bad or even worse:p

Honestly I'd hate to be a gay muslim in America right now =o

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/Z/c/dem_vs_republican_women.jpg

btw just showing the difference in appearance also

the problem isn't racism. the problem is louisiana

another thing. police officers that patrol teh streets are working class, so the idea that police officers discriminate against the working class, is pretty far-fetched. if they discriminate against anyone its the upper class and upper middle class.  the times you were pulled over in a nice car was probably because they thought you were rich and were harassing you because you make more money then them and not because you're black.  when i was in nice clothes, driving a nice, practically new car, i got a ticket for going 3mph about the speed limit; when i was driving in dirty, beat-up clothes, in an old car and got pulled over going 30mph above the speed limit, and told the officer i was heading back from work at 7 am, i was given a warning.

"Jewish people are discriminated against as heavily as blacks are.

Homosexuals are probably the most discriminated against worldwide.

Women (as shown by the democratic election this year) still have a ton of bias towards them.

Muslims are catching incredible heat and have been since 9/11 occurred.

Military veterans, Pregnant women, Christians, Teenagers, Computer "Geeks".....

I don't really care for discrimination discussions too much because people seem to discuss black/white a lot but there are other discrimination targets who have it just as bad or even worse:p

Honestly I'd hate to be a gay muslim in America right now =o"

you forgot about white people. hell, even the government and universities openly discriminates against white people. poor white people have it the worst. and then minority shop/store/restaurant owners are never going to hire a white boy over someone of their race and people look the other way when the entire store has 100% asian employees or black employees, but if an organization has 100% white employees, they're getting reported and fined.

Barak Obama is even campaigning on increasing the discrimination against whites done by the government, and he is more popular because of it.

> They want to attract "pretty" people. I've read this in an article last year.

Yes, i remember Tyra Banks (I think?) doing a set-up where she wore a Fat suit into an American mall and asked for a job application. Hidden cameras catch the darndest thing, and in this case it was more subconcious movements (Not being able to find the application papers, they way they moved and talked etc), instead of someone just shouting 'YOUR FAT, BUGGER OFF'.

> there are other discrimination targets who have it just as bad or even worse
> ...
> Honestly I'd hate to be a gay muslim in America right now =o

Really?

I'd hate to be a gay black female obese muslin who is pregnant. That'd be a pain!

> Computer "Geeks".....

Yes X(, Damit.

"...people look the other way when the entire store has 100% asian employees or black employees, but if an organization has 100% white employees, they're getting reported and fined."

Finally someone else is willing to say it.

There will always be discrimination and racism, it's human nature.  I'm not excusing it but let me put it this way, there will be a world without drugs before there is a world without racism, and drugs aren't going anywhere.

I believe that racism will always exist to some extent because its in human nature- something to do with people prefering their own tribe/ethnic group/race