Do you think A person's position on the subject of abortion is a national issue ?

I dont.

> Black_Wing wrote:

> Do you think A person's position on the subject of abortion is a national issue ?

I dont.

if the person is a presidential candidate or a supreme court justice its a national issue.

"I fully understand the anti-abortion sentiment; however the unborn child is effectively a parasite. "

isnt that the case with all children until they move out? should parents be free to kill them whenever? and then when people become parasites on society, such as the homeless, we should be able to kill them too right? science says that the fetus is just as human as the rest as us. any claim that the fetus becomes human later on in the development process has no grounding in science.

"There is a very clear difference between a biological parasite and a social parasite. Please do not confuse the two, and then use that as a point to argue."

why does whether a parasite is a biological or a social parasite change its value?

"
Please, separate yourself from your biases and open your mind. The typical nuclear family, or even the concept of having a Mother/Father is not intrinsic. There have been many cultures which had a far more 'communist' style of youth development."

and in those cases the child is a parasite of the state instead

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They are not biological parasites. If the fetus could survive outside the mother, then I would fully support illegalizing pregnancy termination. Unfortunately they cannot, and as such it is fully within the right of the mother. Personally, I look down upon abortion, just the same as I look down upon the exploitation of those in 3rd world countries. Somewhat cold-heartedly (that is, rationally), it can be favourable to terminate the fetus."

with the proper equipment, a fetus would always survive when separated from her mother and with current equipment many times an aborted fetus would of stood a chance of survival if separated from the mother; how good a chance does it take for you to support illegalizing pregnancy termination.

"Yes, that is true in many respects. In a normal human fetus, the genetic material is the same (ofc. with variations of genes on alleles) as that of an adult human. Any diploid cell of the body has the potential to be just as human as the rest of us. One such example would be adult undifferentiated cells (AKA stem cells). It is possible to extract the genetic material out of a skin cell and grow an entire human from that (although it may take 250 failed fetuses to create the person, and in any case they will not live as long as a normal person due to telomere shortening). However, they will still be human."

with the proper procedure, anything is possible; however a fetus isnt a skin cell or an adult stem cell, a fetus is a human being, not just potential to become one.

btw, its nice finding someone here he actually responds with some solid logic. i appreciate your reply even though i disagree and you think this is not the place to have this discussion, i think this thread is the perfect place to have it.

It does say you are more right wing, but you don't call BW right wing, you call him socialist... hence the labels have no real meaning...

I often wonder if BW is aware of how far right the American political spectrum has shifted.  Using my own country as an example your left wing is still far right of our right wing and we're pretty right ourselves compared to most of Europe.  I take being called a socialist by BW as a compliment, it's an assurance that I haven't gone insanely right wing.

"DPS, when you think about it, the American political spectrum didnt shift right, the european spectrum and the american spectrun shifted left; the americans just didnt shift as far as europeans."

All subjective I guess.

I know the FOOL is an ass.  That is for sure.

I also know that the YELL is on the Left Coast.  I am on the Right Coast. 
Both of us are trapped in Socialist Republics.

I also know that I am ALWAYS Right.  No matter what all of you say or do
I mean that as it it written.

Also,......as I chuckle at this thread, it just goes to show you that a Leftist is ashamed to admit they are leftists.
Where as us Right-Wingers are proud to make a stand.  We know we are right, and we are firm in our beliefs that we are right to be right.

Funny.  Thank you all for swimming in my pool
I found this thread just solidified my rightness  ;0