Topic: 58 Do or Do not?

In supernova round 28 you now have 50 expos to start with. Combine this with building 8 expos at SOR you can sent out 58 expos as a first wave. But is it wise to do so?

Should you or should you not expo 58 at SOR?

Btw, besides solid strategy, this is also your chance to convince your fellow players of a complete rubbish expo start btw smile

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Re: 58 Do or Do not?

They way I think you can calculate the optimal expo count from an econic perspective.

In a normal sn start one ussually explorres 38 expos. Exploring 58 means an additional 40k investment.

At 58 planets your start built could include 1700 CF. To earn your first 40k you will need to let your cf built (5 ticks) and generate 2 ticks of income. Exploring 58 as such lets your econ lag behind 7 ticks on a 38 planet start.

With a 38 expo start you can hit 100% ob and 100k income at day 3. At that time you will need around 8 ticks of saving to get out the additional 20 expos. At this point both starts perform around equally.

One reason for 38 start could be that at end of day 3 you want to sent out more than 20 expos, which is relatively cheaper to explore than with 58 start.
Less nw which helps players that heavily rely on science.

Main reasons for going 58 from the start would be, more space to prevent early ob-cost, more claimed space early on securing systems. More pop income.

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~Defending is an Art~

Re: 58 Do or Do not?

I go 58.
Sending more ships after expo 50 planets with 30-40% income race bonus? Hell no, cost me more gc and time.
I even can't add more than 30% income bonus on my race, to many options to choose.
I prefer to have alot of empty spaces than spending more gc for next expo.
After all, we have 1w attack/ops delay right?

The problem here is unbalance bonus planets near hs.
I saw some hs there with little iron bonus planets, some even dont have it within 3 ticks area.
Whoever has more iron bonus planets near their hs, u lucky. U'll fill those empty spaces faster than anyone.

Lightguns, with ur strat, i prefer 30% income bonus, 50% science, and go 58

Re: 58 Do or Do not?

Pie still needs to confirm if there is a delay on attacks. Based on accouncement there is only a delay on ops.
" Offensive Operations Delay: 1 week (unchanged)"

Regarding optimal expo count. With 50X resources and 1 week attattack delay i think even at 75 expos i would still max expo.

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Re: 58 Do or Do not?

then i can disband my agents and wiz lol

Re: 58 Do or Do not?

LiGhTGuNs wrote:

Pie still needs to confirm if there is a delay on attacks. Based on accouncement there is only a delay on ops.
" Offensive Operations Delay: 1 week (unchanged)"

We had this discussion on discord - he said to his knowledge that the week also means for standard attacking

7 (edited by LiGhTGuNs 04-Jul-2017 17:17:11)

Re: 58 Do or Do not?

It still needs to be confirmed. To quote pie in discord:

"includes attacks i believe. will double check
might
be accidental ambiguity on "operations" as in "actions"

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~Defending is an Art~

Re: 58 Do or Do not?

I'm exploring 10...I don't know how to math past that.

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Re: 58 Do or Do not?

Hmm, must be attack + ops

Re: 58 Do or Do not?

LiGhTGuNs wrote:

They way I think you can calculate the optimal expo count from an econic perspective.

In a normal sn start one ussually explorres 38 expos. Exploring 58 means an additional 40k investment.

At 58 planets your start built could include 1700 CF. To earn your first 40k you will need to let your cf built (5 ticks) and generate 2 ticks of income. Exploring 58 as such lets your econ lag behind 7 ticks on a 38 planet start.

With a 38 expo start you can hit 100% ob and 100k income at day 3. At that time you will need around 8 ticks of saving to get out the additional 20 expos. At this point both starts perform around equally.

One reason for 38 start could be that at end of day 3 you want to sent out more than 20 expos, which is relatively cheaper to explore than with 58 start.
Less nw which helps players that heavily rely on science.

Main reasons for going 58 from the start would be, more space to prevent early ob-cost, more claimed space early on securing systems. More pop income.


I haven't calculated anything but really the only question is the attack delay. As long as all planets can be defended by the time that delay comes around it's definitely the right decision to take the massive savings from sending all explores with a pcount of 1. The no cores makes it slightly not comparable to the 38 planet start since you didn't have to portal half of those or so.

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Re: 58 Do or Do not?

LiGhTGuNs wrote:

It still needs to be confirmed. To quote pie in discord:

"includes attacks i believe. will double check
might
be accidental ambiguity on "operations" as in "actions"

oh ok

Re: 58 Do or Do not?

It looks like it actually does NOT include attacks.  I don't know if I like that, but that's how it works at least for this next round.

So it literally is just spells/ops that won't work.

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Re: 58 Do or Do not?

Exit 58 planet start smile

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~Defending is an Art~

Re: 58 Do or Do not?

Lol