Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

[PW2] PICKLE ARMY wrote:

Well since end round early has 50% more votes than don't end all galaxies, my fam at least assumed it was getting reset and nobody is playing.  But now Pie is saying just because the vote wins, it doesn't mean that will happen ... we are getting double screwed.  I picked the wrong time to come back to this game.

You picked a fine time to come back. The game is getting improved for the first time in years.

You just made a silly assumption the round would be reset after it already had been rolled back. If you wanted to be sure, you could have gone on Discord and ask Pie himself if the round was going to be reset. He would have told you straight away that decision was not made yet (I know, I did it myself).

Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

I like pie wrote:

Yeah, they won't all get reset at once.  Nor will any of them end without at least a few days' notice.

I'm aiming to make a decision by end of week.

If you're deciding this end of the week, and you want a few days notice before 'ending the round', might as well let MW just run and finish when it normally would

Ending: Wednesday, Apr 12 @ 17:00:00 GMT

Less than a week from now smile

Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

I made a silly assumption that since the vote was heavily in favor of a reset that all galaxies would be reset... only to have Pie say almost a day later that the votes do not matter ...  Why even have a vote?  I didn't want to invest more time into this round just to have the time wasted ... again.

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That's a fair point Hala.  SN/MW are really on their way out anyway.  This is really looking to be mostly an Andro thing.

[PW2] PICKLE ARMY wrote:

only to have Pie say almost a day later that the votes do not matter ...

I never said that.  The votes do very much matter, but they do not guarantee any specific decision.

[PW2] PICKLE ARMY wrote:

Why even have a vote?

To gather feedback.  It's served its intended purpose.

Votes are always for the purpose of gathering input.  This is an improvement over our past feedback process which was no feedback process.  I admittedly should have made that more clear up front.  I'll keep that in mind for next time.

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Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

Please keep in mind the 2nd ranked fam in Andro has stopped logging in waiting for the reset.  And what I meant by the votes do not matter, they will not decide if the galaxy is reset or not.

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Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

39 votes
49 players in andro

Why so much time until reaching a decision?
I am not putting time in a galaxy that might get a reset. If you decide to keep andro going, pls role back again to the point before bug and announce when the roleback will be. That why we can anticipate for it.

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LiGhTGuNs wrote:

39 votes
49 players in andro

And you can guarentee all votes are from people playing Andro? And not people with an account not playing any galaxy at all?
Or people playing MW only? Or SN?

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This shouldn't have been opened as a vote. Rollbacks like these have happened before and are annoying as hell but you deal with it. I don't think anything was learned by listening to everyone's complaints. Lightguns is right when he says there's no point in holding a potential reset for this long over everyone's head while they continue to put lots of time into the current rounds. Make a decision and tell people what it is. Feedback is great but there's a way to gather it without all this uncertainty

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I don't know why you would stop playing.  There's not going to be another rollback just to cater to your laziness and poor expectations....Galaxies don't just end on a whim.

35 (edited by [PW2] PICKLE ARMY 06-Apr-2017 15:37:28)

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A whim?  There was a vote to end the galaxy early (which is leading by double) ... how is that a whim?

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36 (edited by missin 06-Apr-2017 15:58:11)

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People wanting a do-over because they're not happy with their family or their start don't get it just because they find an excuse to complain.

Deal with it and move on like the rest of us or quit the gal if that's more your style.

Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

It doesn't matter what happens. But in all fairness I say shoot 2 of the crippled horses. Both my present 2 families are inactive and disorganized. Expo-war, 24hr reset, and possible gal end, killed them. At this point I should change our names to "Free Planets".

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Swagga
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Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

Missing, there is no real victory to be gained in playing out screwed up galaxies.

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Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

Swagga wrote:

Missing, there is no real victory to be gained in playing out screwed up galaxies.

There hasn't been a real victory worth playing for a while now (not that I've played all the galaxies). Marines round in SB was the last round that actually felt competitive and worth really trying to win for me at least. The multiple open galaxies, low max family size, and allowed IA all inhibit a good environment for competition. Don't get me wrong, it's still fun, just for different reasons -- mostly the people.

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Free planets in Andro? Where?

/me plants flag claiming all such planets

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41 (edited by Hathir 06-Apr-2017 20:49:20)

Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

I stopped playing in Andro largely out of frustration. I invested a lot in to the round in the early stages (time spent coordinating, strategizing, staying up until early hours of the moring etc). This is not to say that other people didn't do the same but, for me at least, to see the effort get compromised is demoralising. It wasn't because I was in a bad family either - I'd chanced in with a great group of players who, if the round does get reset, I'd like to play with again next round.

That said, I really appreciate all the work Pie puts into the game and don't begrudge him at all. You can't pull a game out of the dark ages without teething problems. It is just my personal opinion that it has spoiled the round, so I don't want to invest any more effort in to it and I am happy to wait for the next one/SN start and spend a bit of time in the real world until a new round starts.

Just my opinion.

I might play this game, but I have more of a life than you

42 (edited by missin 06-Apr-2017 20:55:37)

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And I won't play Andro again if it's reset for the same reason - I put a lot of effort in the first 10 days.  Asking me to put that effort in AGAIN for TEN days because you were too lazy to adapt and replay the ONE day you had just played?  Doesn't make sense at all.

43 (edited by Hathir 06-Apr-2017 21:03:56)

Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

missin wrote:

And I won't play Andro again if it's reset for the same reason - I put a lot of effort in the first 10 days.  Asking me to put that effort in AGAIN for TEN days because you were too lazy to adapt and replay the ONE day you had just played?  Doesn't make sense at all.

No need to call me lazy buddy I'm just expressing my opinion. I also did not indicate I had voted for a reset, I simply said I'm happy to wait until the next round, whether that be a reset or the round's natural conclusion.

I might play this game, but I have more of a life than you

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I am in the "probably not going to play andro again" camp because of the time put into the start. Can't / won't / don't want to do it again.

"What is there to look forward to in life?"
Death thought about it for a minute and finally said,
"Cats. Cats are Nice" - Terry Pratchitt

Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

I've decided that we will not be resetting Andro, or any of the galaxies.  The reason for that is that despite the majority vote, the arguments presented here have not convinced me that it is worth throwing away everybody's existing effort.  The forum posts are a factor too, after all.

These are the 2 main points I agree with:

* 27 hours lost is not comparable to losing a larger part of the round, even for Andro that has not been running for as long as the others.

* Although certain players and families had their short-term plans compromised, that does not prevent anybody from changing their long term plans.

As for why this took so long, it's simple: I've had a busy work week and haven't had much time for IC.  I wasn't supposed to be free until tomorrow, but that changed as of earlier today so we can decide now.

So that's the call.  I understand that it is not what the majority of voters here want, but again in this situation the players' reasoning is weighing heavier than the raw numbers.

A lot went wrong during this whole situation, and our damage control needs improving as well.  Your patience and understanding is appreciated.

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Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

the vote was a sham..xause lake of proof of cheating..so in theory why do so many people believe in the bible yet there is no actually proof of the after life???..their may be no actually proof of someone using a bug to explore more planets at bor..but doesn't mean it didn't happen??same as in no IA rounds there is no actually proof of IA but we all know it happens..bad choice on pies part not to respect the vote

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BIGTEXAS wrote:

the vote was a sham..xause lake of proof of cheating..so in theory why do so many people believe in the bible yet there is no actually proof of the after life???..their may be no actually proof of someone using a bug to explore more planets at bor..but doesn't mean it didn't happen??same as in no IA rounds there is no actually proof of IA but we all know it happens..bad choice on pies part not to respect the vote

Because believing in the bible provides a way to relieve some of the worst stresses in life. The faith that there is a God and an afterlife helps people get through their day, there's thousands of years of history behind the belief in the bible that has been passed down from generation to generation leading to an established system. It's much harder to remove a belief than to install one, and when people have been taught something since they could walk it's going to be pretty ingrained into their system.

The only sham about the vote is the idea that people want to end Andro because of the bug. The bug is nothing more than an excuse for people that are frustrated one family is so dominant to hide behind. This particular expo bug wasn't introduced until recently, and the reset took care of that.

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I was using it as example..I could use many more..to get point across..nothing more..it was exploited.rather doing well or not well doesn't matter..point is ..that it was even though u don't have physical proof...this is a loop hole as aways..there are many things people can do in this game that mods can't see or can be hiden...maybe the reset is a cover up..who knows what's really going on...

" i am the bringer of death.. destroyer of worlds"

Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

BIGTEXAS wrote:

I was using it as example..I could use many more..to get point across..nothing more..it was exploited.rather doing well or not well doesn't matter..point is ..that it was even though u don't have physical proof...this is a loop hole as aways..there are many things people can do in this game that mods can't see or can be hiden...maybe the reset is a cover up..who knows what's really going on...

It's pretty obvious you either didn't read Pie's explanation of the bug, or are willfully ignoring the timeline.

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Re: Vote: Early Galaxy End

Undeath wrote:
BIGTEXAS wrote:

the vote was a sham..xause lake of proof of cheating..so in theory why do so many people believe in the bible yet there is no actually proof of the after life???..their may be no actually proof of someone using a bug to explore more planets at bor..but doesn't mean it didn't happen??same as in no IA rounds there is no actually proof of IA but we all know it happens..bad choice on pies part not to respect the vote

Because believing in the bible provides a way to relieve some of the worst stresses in life. The faith that there is a God and an afterlife helps people get through their day, there's thousands of years of history behind the belief in the bible that has been passed down from generation to generation leading to an established system. It's much harder to remove a belief than to install one, and when people have been taught something since they could walk it's going to be pretty ingrained into their system.

The only sham about the vote is the idea that people want to end Andro because of the bug. The bug is nothing more than an excuse for people that are frustrated one family is so dominant to hide behind. This particular expo bug wasn't introduced until recently, and the reset took care of that.

Undeath wrote:
BIGTEXAS wrote:

I was using it as example..I could use many more..to get point across..nothing more..it was exploited.rather doing well or not well doesn't matter..point is ..that it was even though u don't have physical proof...this is a loop hole as aways..there are many things people can do in this game that mods can't see or can be hiden...maybe the reset is a cover up..who knows what's really going on...

It's pretty obvious you either didn't read Pie's explanation of the bug, or are willfully ignoring the timeline.

Now it's been a rare thing in general in the recent past, but to happen twice in a row must be close to a miracle. Nontheless it's true: I completely agree with Undeath, in both of the above cases!