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Topic: Union Protected Mods

I will start off by saying that I think unions back in the day were worthy causes to get workers fair wages and better hours before the mob took over.  That said, a combined unit of tyrants forcing a hand is never going to turn out well.

Nick, who I strongly agree with used to be a good mod, has now become a fascist leader in chat rooms.

I have been banned because I dared to disagree with him.  I had my speech silenced despite the claims of the new owner Pie and the head mod nick swearing to enforce our rights to speak.

No doubt nick or pie will ban me from the forums as they have from chat despite that I have broken no rules... 

If you want a laugh, look up the wins of pie and nick and then me.  one thing is not like the other.

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

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Re: Union Protected Mods

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I will start off by saying that I think unions back in the day were worthy causes to get workers fair wages and better hours before the mob took over.  That said, a combined unit of tyrants forcing a hand is never going to turn out well.

Nick, who I strongly agree with used to be a good mod, has now become a fascist leader in chat rooms.

I have been banned because I dared to disagree with him.  I had my speech silenced despite the claims of the new owner Pie and the head mod nick swearing to enforce our rights to speak.

No doubt nick or pie will ban me from the forums as they have from chat despite that I have broken no rules... 

If you want a laugh, look up the wins of pie and nick and then me.  one thing is not like the other.



You posted pictures of his wife in chat... And said disturbing things about her after the fact...

If it was up to me.. I'd perm ban you from chat.

[13:43] <@RisingDown> never thought i'd say it, but TBO actually did something useful.
[13:43] <@arsy> dont let him see you say that
[13:43] <@RisingDown> oh shit
[13:43] * You were kicked from #room by arsy (kapow!)

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Re: Union Protected Mods

TheBigOne wrote:
dpenguins wrote:

I will start off by saying that I think unions back in the day were worthy causes to get workers fair wages and better hours before the mob took over.  That said, a combined unit of tyrants forcing a hand is never going to turn out well.

Nick, who I strongly agree with used to be a good mod, has now become a fascist leader in chat rooms.

I have been banned because I dared to disagree with him.  I had my speech silenced despite the claims of the new owner Pie and the head mod nick swearing to enforce our rights to speak.

No doubt nick or pie will ban me from the forums as they have from chat despite that I have broken no rules... 

If you want a laugh, look up the wins of pie and nick and then me.  one thing is not like the other.



You posted pictures of his wife in chat... And said disturbing things about her after the fact...

If it was up to me.. I'd perm ban you from chat.




Tho I have no knowledge of what was said or done in chat to bring this topic to the forums, I can only agree on the fact that the MOD's have abused their power in the past with people who have disagreed with them, Or have banned those that are not their friends for posting stuff that they felt was was improper, yet have let their friends post what ever they wanted with no regard to the rules laid out in the forums at the time

But it does seem that there are no MODS for the forums except for Pie, for he is the only one who will answer any question asked.
The rest have been MIA for a very long time, and it seems will have others do there job for them
Ban me for this statement, but as it has been stated in " Stay in family poll"



But if u had placed these alleged pictures, and said these alleged things. Then yes you deserved the ban. But if you have not done these things that are stated then yes it is an abuse of their power.

yeah, yeah, yeah, your the best in the game!
But have you played against " Chuck Norris ! "

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Cjay92 wrote:

Tho I have no knowledge of what was said or done in chat to bring this topic to the forums, I can only agree on the fact that the MOD's have abused their power in the past with people who have disagreed with them, Or have banned those that are not their friends for posting stuff that they felt was was improper, yet have let their friends post what ever they wanted with no regard to the rules laid out in the forums at the time

But it does seem that there are no MODS for the forums except for Pie, for he is the only one who will answer any question asked.
The rest have been MIA for a very long time, and it seems will have others do there job for them
Ban me for this statement, but as it has been stated in " Stay in family poll"



But if u had placed these alleged pictures, and said these alleged things. Then yes you deserved the ban. But if you have not done these things that are stated then yes it is an abuse of their power.


Hear Hear!
Completely agree!

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Re: Union Protected Mods

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yet have let their friends post what ever they wanted with no regard to the rules

This is exactly why we have to take this instance seriously.  The player in question has a friendlier relationship with one of the staff members compared to the average player.

If we were to not act on this, we would rightly be criticized for treating them differently.

Perm bans aren't taken lightly, but I have zero interest in tolerating the type of violation that occurred here.  If a random new player were to do this to another random new player, they would be perm-banned from chat.

We must enforce the rules equally.

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So as it stands what you said and done in the chat room dpenguins seems to be true. I myself can not see Pie banning you for something you didn't do.

I have played this game since the first round, and over the yrs I have come to not believing anything a MOD has said and done within the game, because of the friendships within the community. Now with that said

Over the last few months or more I have come to respect " I like Pie " for what he has been trying to do for the game ( even if I disagree with him on something's) as well as his continued feedback to the community on the reasons why. He has been willing to paint the bullseye on himself and stand by his decisions


Now the big QUESTION is, where are all the MODS. I have stated on and in different postings about MODS that they are, and always seem to be MIA
Can I get an answer for this please

yeah, yeah, yeah, your the best in the game!
But have you played against " Chuck Norris ! "

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Re: Union Protected Mods

Cjay92 wrote:

So as it stands what you said and done in the chat room dpenguins seems to be true. I myself can not see Pie banning you for something you didn't do.

I have played this game since the first round, and over the yrs I have come to not believing anything a MOD has said and done within the game, because of the friendships within the community. Now with that said

Over the last few months or more I have come to respect " I like Pie " for what he has been trying to do for the game ( even if I disagree with him on something's) as well as his continued feedback to the community on the reasons why. He has been willing to paint the bullseye on himself and stand by his decisions


Now the big QUESTION is, where are all the MODS. I have stated on and in different postings about MODS that they are, and always seem to be MIA
Can I get an answer for this please


We only have two..

Undeath and Veg...

And you have Pie..


We have no Fmod, no other mods around.... The populus for mods is kinda tiny.

[13:43] <@RisingDown> never thought i'd say it, but TBO actually did something useful.
[13:43] <@arsy> dont let him see you say that
[13:43] <@RisingDown> oh shit
[13:43] * You were kicked from #room by arsy (kapow!)

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Re: Union Protected Mods

The mod situation has been a little turbulent since I took over, but I can give some general insight if it helps explain where we are now.

The mods have never had sufficient direction with which to manage the community.  This was true when I was a mod, and was still true when I took over.  They were in an unfortunate position of having to develop their own processes as best they could while lacking adequate tools to do their job.

That meant that doing mod work was far more tedious and inefficient than it ever should have been.  To make matters worse, players often put blame on them that should really be on the admin, and it becomes a very hostile environment to operate in.

A lot of the mod work is unseen.  Setting up galaxies, troubleshooting bugs, and discussing solutions with Squirrel and now me is something most players simply have no reason to be aware of.  A lot happens that they'll never get credit for, and they rarely talk about this although they have every right to.

Imagine putting in hours for free for *years* on end to keep this game alive, only for the players to insult you and accuse you of everything under the sun any time anything goes even a little bit wrong.

I won't speak for any of the past or current mods (other than myself), but I would not blame them for avoiding forums and chat under such a climate.  Who would willingly walk into a room to be a punching bag?  It sucks.

Yes, we have had mods that cheated, and mods that didn't to their job fairly, and mods who simply went inactive.  This has tainted the mod team in a way that is still clearly felt today but again, this is all a result of insufficient structure and leadership.

On the surface this may look like a mod problem but it isn't: this really represents a failure at the top.

Things are changing though, and they have been since last August when the ownership transfer happened.  Part of that is a large deconstruction of the mod role and responsibilities.  We are working on new guidelines to help them do their job better but in the meantime the simplest explanation is that things are in flux.  The mod job is changing behind the scenes and we won't really feel the effects of it until I'm able to build the tools that they should have had in the first place.

Things are already on the upswing though; mods are slowly becoming more active in forums and chat, and are responding to the new support email.  We still have work to do, but I'm optimistic that eventually the mod/player relationship will be mended.

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I fought back when targeted.  That's what i did.  no more. no less.  Nick (undeath) has said and done much worse than what i have.  However, he is protected by the shield.

I have always stood up for the players (as someone who can actually play the game and has more wins than just about anyone other than genesis and h4e) and their rights to free speech.  I thought Pie would bring a breath of fresh air to the game.  Unfortunately, pie, you, have resorted to the same thought/speech control of Stefan.  This is a game that is largely played by adults who played 15 plus years ago.  It is still run as if kid gloves are needed though for whatever reason. 

RIP IC.  It used to be fun.

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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Re: Union Protected Mods

You repeatedly posted private information about another player's family members and made lewd and highly inappropriate comments about them.  You are now lying about the situation to slander the staff for enforcing the rules that protect our players.

This type of behavior has no place in our community.  You are banned from Imperial Conflict as a result of your choices.  Harassment of this sort will not be tolerated regardless of who it comes from or who it is directed to.

This will be the last statement we make regarding your specific situation.

To everybody who saw this happen: our sincerest apologies.  We are working as hard as we can to ensure a friendly and comfortable environment for everybody.

It's time to move on.  Thank you all for understanding.

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