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thisyearsmostopen wrote:

farming is anything over 15% of size right ?

199 to #2049


who said farming was dead.




Only reason we are doing this is cause i really want to win size this round...
Signed, FBI of Great White Shark (#2049)

i really really dont want him to win size, so please step up rest of gal.

Lol, very funny.
You ask me to get a nap so i reply and i quote: I'll talk to the fam, the only reason we are doing this war is cause we wanted to win size this round.

You just pull it out of it's context and it looks like we are farming you to win size ranks, but that's not what it was about.

Also, we are only up just over 100 planets. You guys gave away more then 100 palnets to 56, if not we would have stopped long time ago.

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Carrera GT wrote:
thisyearsmostopen wrote:

farming is anything over 15% of size right ?

199 to #2049


who said farming was dead.




Only reason we are doing this is cause i really want to win size this round...
Signed, FBI of Great White Shark (#2049)

i really really dont want him to win size, so please step up rest of gal.

Lol, very funny.
You ask me to get a nap so i reply and i quote: I'll talk to the fam, the only reason we are doing this war is cause we wanted to win size this round.

You just pull it out of it's context and it looks like we are farming you to win size ranks, but that's not what it was about.

Also, we are only up just over 100 planets. You guys gave away more then 100 palnets to 56, if not we would have stopped long time ago.

"You ask me to get a nap so i reply and i quote: I'll talk to the fam, the only reason we are doing this war is cause we wanted to win size this round."

Not sure how out of context anything was taken, "we're doing this war to win size" is still "we're doing this war to win size"

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Undeath wrote:
Carrera GT wrote:
thisyearsmostopen wrote:

farming is anything over 15% of size right ?

199 to #2049


who said farming was dead.




Only reason we are doing this is cause i really want to win size this round...
Signed, FBI of Great White Shark (#2049)

i really really dont want him to win size, so please step up rest of gal.

Lol, very funny.
You ask me to get a nap so i reply and i quote: I'll talk to the fam, the only reason we are doing this war is cause we wanted to win size this round.

You just pull it out of it's context and it looks like we are farming you to win size ranks, but that's not what it was about.

Also, we are only up just over 100 planets. You guys gave away more then 100 palnets to 56, if not we would have stopped long time ago.

"You ask me to get a nap so i reply and i quote: I'll talk to the fam, the only reason we are doing this war is cause we wanted to win size this round."

Not sure how out of context anything was taken, "we're doing this war to win size" is still "we're doing this war to win size"

Euhm, did you see any context? I am just saying i replied that i was gonna talk to my fam about getting a nap with them, it looked like i was gonna farm them down to 100 planets the way he posted it and asked everybody to join our war to punish me for some reason...

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You're fighting someone that, going into it, you knew wouldn't be able to fight back... You told them that you're only doing it to win size...  What other context would your statement be taken in?  Judging strictly by what he posted it doesn't look like you're going to farm them down to 100 planets at all, it just looks like you're going to farm them to the point that you can win size...which is what you're doing.  He doesn't want you to win size because if you do win size it will be because you did it dishonorably.

So what other context is there?

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Kudo's for undeath

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i think the context is clear

your just a low life fam that wants to look like it won the round, when really you wont, and yeah the longer this goes on the more chance ill give up all my planets to 56

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If you wanted to win the round maybe you shouldn't have perm napped the only fam that could contend after a two day fight.

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thisyearsmostopen wrote:

i think the context is clear

your just a low life fam that wants to look like it won the round, when really you wont, and yeah the longer this goes on the more chance ill give up all my planets to 56


you already did that, and that's they only reason we are attacking you....

you had over 1400 planets when we canceled on you, and gave away 300 to 56 all over your core before our nap expired.. We only took 100 of you so far, and it was this easy cause you guys desided to only build agents and wizards instead of an army.

So don't come here and blame us for what happend!

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Well I hope you win this round. Everyone deserves to feel like they achieved something once in their lives

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lol never 300 planets carrera you forget to say 50 was eating ad 54 to loads planets

Lazyness> we are fighting with knives against guys with machine guns

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Carrera GT wrote:
thisyearsmostopen wrote:

i think the context is clear

your just a low life fam that wants to look like it won the round, when really you wont, and yeah the longer this goes on the more chance ill give up all my planets to 56


you already did that, and that's they only reason we are attacking you....

you had over 1400 planets when we canceled on you, and gave away 300 to 56 all over your core before our nap expired.. We only took 100 of you so far, and it was this easy cause you guys desided to only build agents and wizards instead of an army.

So don't come here and blame us for what happend!

With all the savings they had after after the last fight?  You canceled on them when you did specifically so that they wouldn't have the funds to build up the fleet needed to contend with you.  From everything I've heard about the situation focusing on ops was probably their best option.

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If I was on first tick of war I would have jumped but figured my fleet would have just been ate up by the time I got their anyways.

It's basically me retaking vs. Your whole fam. Ought to be fun...

I'm only retaking because a few have put in time this round and I feel bad it's definitely not worth logging in for anymore...

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thisyearsmostopen wrote:

farming is anything over 15% of size right ?

199 to #2049


who said farming was dead.




Only reason we are doing this is cause i really want to win size this round...
Signed, FBI of Great White Shark (#2049)

i really really dont want him to win size, so please step up rest of gal.

I looked up the rule on farming.  And it clearly says 20%.   I have no idea how you got 15%, because the rules say 20%.

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Undeath wrote:
Carrera GT wrote:
thisyearsmostopen wrote:

i think the context is clear

your just a low life fam that wants to look like it won the round, when really you wont, and yeah the longer this goes on the more chance ill give up all my planets to 56


you already did that, and that's they only reason we are attacking you....

you had over 1400 planets when we canceled on you, and gave away 300 to 56 all over your core before our nap expired.. We only took 100 of you so far, and it was this easy cause you guys desided to only build agents and wizards instead of an army.

So don't come here and blame us for what happend!

With all the savings they had after after the last fight?  You canceled on them when you did specifically so that they wouldn't have the funds to build up the fleet needed to contend with you.  From everything I've heard about the situation focusing on ops was probably their best option.

their income was intact and we didn't have any savings when we cancelled either, could hav ebeen a nice battle. We had equal econ, and both shares in and outside of core...

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finally!!!!! I can retire now! No more crap like this. :-P

Proverbs 11:14 "Where there is no guidance the people fall,
But in abundance of counselors there is a victory."

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Carrera GT wrote:
Undeath wrote:
Carrera GT wrote:

you already did that, and that's they only reason we are attacking you....

you had over 1400 planets when we canceled on you, and gave away 300 to 56 all over your core before our nap expired.. We only took 100 of you so far, and it was this easy cause you guys desided to only build agents and wizards instead of an army.

So don't come here and blame us for what happend!

With all the savings they had after after the last fight?  You canceled on them when you did specifically so that they wouldn't have the funds to build up the fleet needed to contend with you.  From everything I've heard about the situation focusing on ops was probably their best option.

their income was intact and we didn't have any savings when we cancelled either, could hav ebeen a nice battle. We had equal econ, and both shares in and outside of core...


you had no savings? then why didn't you grow for a single bit during a 2 week war we had with 56?
equal shares? all my portals where either disabled, sabbed or crushed by 50 and 56 before you guys decided to pop in.

truth is, it was a lame gank and we all know it.
Dont feel bad for me though, you might have "won" the round but might aswell have at least 2-3 really active players leaving this game cause they really can't be arsed to put up with this crap.

as some said before, this game is not about winning or loosing anymore. But until i can play this game without getting a stab in the back round after round i'll be good without.

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Players don't realize that all this backstabbing and use of underhanded tactics has been a key player in the slow death of IC.  (Granted in this case players also don't realize that we're all not complete idiots? Equal savings...equal shares...it's like they think nobody in the galaxy keeps running visions or infils on top families)

Sure, it's a war game...fighting happens.  It's also an aging game that once had a tight knit community at its core holding everything together.  That's completely gone

<KT|Away> I am the Trump of IC

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Yes I will be gone after this round. Not because of what sharks has done this round. it just seems that it is the same thing over and over. You can't teach new players anything now because everyone who joins is expected to be the best player around. If you don't log in for one day then your whole round can be ruined which is crazy to think. To many people think winning is the only fun part of the round. I haven't heard of anything good being done for anyone in I don't know how many rounds.

Then you have people like IC Death complaining they are going to quit - this was what just last round? then you join to ruin someone round. Then you quit and join sharks and ruin my round and whiteheavens and TYMO and epiknicedude? People that have been around since the beginning of IC. Sorry don't mean to intentionally point you out because most of the time i like you and you have actually been good to me in the past but this is just a shining example of what goes on now a days.

So round after round I ask myself why do I put time into this game and it has really been exemplified as of late.

FBI i know its a game and i know you want to win but you've been put in the leader position because you are suppose to be trusted in what you do. if you want to nap you nap and tell your fam after. you said nap for 50 planets i said yes and a day later we are down 100 more planets and still asking for 50 naps. Its that type of shit that just gets to me.

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you're completely right on this subject undeath.
The only time i actually enjoyed this game was a few months ago in SD.
That's when you can actually expect people coming for you and doing everything they can to get you on your knees and keep hitting you when you're down. But that's where you know you've signed up for.
Other galaxies shouldn't be like that. And although the morale system is kinda protecting it, you can still beat a man when he's down on his knees. We used to have a honour system protecting that, (the whole universe going against you) but that's long gone.

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49 won't win size...besides they already had their assets whooped..they can't take on any bigger fam..low level of play by far

" i am the bringer of death.. destroyer of worlds"

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Ic death act's like he has honor only when it's in his favor..Yale all should know this by now..same as colorado..he will IA only when it's suits him

" i am the bringer of death.. destroyer of worlds"

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I've tried to explain the problem, but I don't think anyone heard.

You expect people to act "honorably".  But what we, as a community, have done is to change the word honor to mean an imaginary set of rules.  And then, when other players don't follow the imaginary set of rules, you get upset.

I can only speak for myself.  But I will not follow an imaginary set of rules.  It's not because I need to win.  It's because I don't believe a game can be run that way.

Write the rules down, and I'll agree to follow them.  Show me the rules.  As an example, where in the rules does it talk about farming, and where does it define farming as 15 %.   That rule doesn't exist.

Show me rules, and I'll follow them.

But when your talking about imaginary rules, then your just a cry baby.

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Now ive been quiet pretty much all round..watching u bicker and shit.. now u wanna bring my name into it.. and yes  was gonnaa quit but then i was like eh why not try again i wanted to attack.. i joined a fam and it was inactive... i left and joined sharks with pitbull.. i was eager to attack so i did just that... whats wrong with that? u mad cause u lost??? and who whooped us? i dont remember anyone whippin us... only fam to slide away from us is 52.. and 54 only has itself to blame.. maybe u had weak leadership or weak attackers.. i dunno but dont blame us for shit... u warred us for a good while we NAPPED u chose to put urself into another war.. i told ur guys i would see u again.. i promised them.. for the bullshit NAP u did with FBI while i was sleep.. vegnarok acted like a pussy and like he didnt care.. we went on to fight 50.. we did that for as long as 54 fought 56.. once u guys NAPPED we NAPPED 50 a few days later...we watched as 56 took loads of ur planets.. we wasnt about to let colo win size that easy off a lazy ass fam like urs.. then we saw 50 was attacking u.. they both was ruining our EOR war with u.. so we had no choice but to cancel on u.. cause of what 56 and 50 were doing.. so dont blame us blame them.. and colo cant play that innocent role cause it was damn sure something fishy going on.. u guys NAPPED and yet colo and his fam took about another 100-150 planets off u guys.. we watched as entire systems became 56's

Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory.

Sun Tzu

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and scorp ur inrevelant in this convo.. what do u have to do with anything in it.. ur always the lazy ass attacker who doesnt do anything and always complains about not getting shit and u do nothing lol.. ur like a lazy attacker who does nothing.. waste of space please go somewhere else..  ur just a inactive lame who talks big.. got no time for u..

Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory.

Sun Tzu

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Lone Tiger wrote:

I've tried to explain the problem, but I don't think anyone heard.

You expect people to act "honorably".  But what we, as a community, have done is to change the word honor to mean an imaginary set of rules.  And then, when other players don't follow the imaginary set of rules, you get upset.

I can only speak for myself.  But I will not follow an imaginary set of rules.  It's not because I need to win.  It's because I don't believe a game can be run that way.

Write the rules down, and I'll agree to follow them.  Show me the rules.  As an example, where in the rules does it talk about farming, and where does it define farming as 15 %.   That rule doesn't exist.

Show me rules, and I'll follow them.

But when your talking about imaginary rules, then your just a cry baby.

The above attitude is a literal example of the biggest reason IC is in pieces, so I appreciate the example. 

In it's prime IC was game governed by a community that operated under a set of honor principles that equated to "dude, don't be an asshole".  If you were a top family competing ftw and you farmed a defenseless family too hard, it was understood that every other family in contention would destroy you.  This wasn't an IA, there was no discussion, it just happened.  The gradual decline in the community required some moderator action, like implementing ingame NAPS (worst decision ever made for the game imo), removing the delete option to prevent illegal drafting, or the new morale system that was developed specifically because players in large families were farming new players to the point of deletion every round (which is great for player count btw).

IC grew as a community lead game.  Used to be you came into IRC or the forums and it was like Cheers.  Everyone knows everybody and if you were knew you received a warm welcome apart from the required trolling by ilu or TU.  Now it's like Mos Eisley, you walk in and just hope you walk out without getting stabbed in the back.

/end back in my day rant

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