Re: Just get rid of morale already

Undeath,
Just want to give you some appriciation for all you have been doing lately.. i know that you're getting alot of crap from everyone and still manage to come back every single day.
Keep it up buddy. without ou the game would be long gone already

Re: Just get rid of morale already

Epiknicedude wrote:

Undeath,
Just want to give you some appriciation for all you have been doing lately.. i know that you're getting alot of crap from everyone and still manage to come back every single day.
Keep it up buddy. without ou the game would be long gone already

Thanks!  Means a lot to see some people appreciate how much time we put into this at no real benefit to ourselves smile

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Re: Just get rid of morale already

Yeah got to agree there thank you Undeath, especially for such a long detailed reply to my post.

Also very happy / interested to hear that you do like some of the suggestions.

Such as no NAPS or very limited NAPS

I see what you mean about the smaller family size.

Think that has been an issue in IC for a while now that sometimes you land in a full on active family or sometime just land with 6 or 7 people who are totally inactive.

But yeah glad to hear you have not given up.

Re: Just get rid of morale already

In my opinion the moral rules work in that they stop big fams from being able to farm the little guys.
Where they do not work is when smaller fams attack and you do not even have enough moral to do retakes.
I am in family 3* and it is costing me 10% moral to retake from family 6*'s biggest attacker who is over a THIRD bigger than me in NW.... (there family is ahead of mine in score & size)
I know the moral accounts for families NW  but I think 10% is far to high.... Even with moral planet bonus's I can't even send retakes to a whole system.

1    StarGate (1966) [14,6]    1295    12425911    57642   
2    100% Beast Mode (1967) [72,57]    1237    12110122    60639   
3    Back In Time (1971) [88,27]    1049    7158068    30614   
4    old school (1972) [95,80]    802    6632862    34240   
5    ~New Beginning~ (1969) [64,4]    821    6331504    22752   
6    Get a Life! (1970) [43,30]    1166    5920287    37392   
7    Time for the reconnaissance (1968) [24,59]    952    4379291    27547   
8    I come in peace (1973) [38,87]    133    785291    2387

Re: Just get rid of morale already

k!ngs wrote:

In my opinion the moral rules work in that they stop big fams from being able to farm the little guys.
Where they do not work is when smaller fams attack and you do not even have enough moral to do retakes.
I am in family 3* and it is costing me 10% moral to retake from family 6*'s biggest attacker who is over a THIRD bigger than me in NW.... (there family is ahead of mine in score & size)
I know the moral accounts for families NW  but I think 10% is far to high.... Even with moral planet bonus's I can't even send retakes to a whole system.

1    StarGate (1966) [14,6]    1295    12425911    57642   
2    100% Beast Mode (1967) [72,57]    1237    12110122    60639   
3    Back In Time (1971) [88,27]    1049    7158068    30614   
4    old school (1972) [95,80]    802    6632862    34240   
5    ~New Beginning~ (1969) [64,4]    821    6331504    22752   
6    Get a Life! (1970) [43,30]    1166    5920287    37392   
7    Time for the reconnaissance (1968) [24,59]    952    4379291    27547   
8    I come in peace (1973) [38,87]    133    785291    2387


One thing we're trying out in Supernova this round is reduced planet counts for each system, which could help in your particular case. 
Size doesn't add into the morale formula at all, it's just a stat Stefan put together years ago to show how people did throughout an entire round.
You're 71% of his nw, have 50 more planets than him, and are in a family that is doing better nw wise (weighs more than size)
The new system is actually benefiting you, as since he's only 53% of your size (planet count, the only thing the old system accounted for), it would be costing you 12-14% morale for each attack on him smile

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Re: Just get rid of morale already

Also, to try and further explain our situation to the community, since a few of you are under the impression that we're ignorant idiots throwing numbers around tongue

We actually have a number of balance changes we plan on making, but we're only able to make them one at a time (if we implemented everything at once there'd be no way of knowing what worked and what didn't).  Also, and this is the biggest problem, we don't have enough players to set up an area for beta testing.  What we get to do, is test stuff to the point that we can be..uhh....reasonably certain that the server won't explode when we implement the change....then we implement it...and get to see what happens.  We'd love to be able to set up a beta testing environment with an accelerated format where we have 10 families with 10 players each so that we could test the effects potential changes before implementing them into the main game...but we don't have 100 total.  What we're forced to do is implement changes slowly after running as many numbers as we can (i have some super crazy spreadsheets).

That all being said, I apologize if at any point I'm rude in my responses.  I try to take at least a small chunk out of each day to jump on the forums and check out what you guys are saying.  Typically it's incredibly frustrating as we're a game of veterans who complain that we need changes, then complain when we make changes because changing is hard....and that's fine, we're all playing a 17 year old game that has experienced very little change since it's inception...but I still show up.  I might get testy, I might sarcastically respond to something after already responding to the same complaint 3 other times in different places, but we're still working to keep this thing going.

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Re: Just get rid of morale already

I understand your frustration and have nothing but respect and gratitude for the effort you put in. You can be as rude as you like to me!

How about if too families have both declared war on each other, moral is lowered to 0% until they cancel the declarations?

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Re: Just get rid of morale already

Morale system is supposed to affect the game like this:

Small fam of new players play and learn the game relatively unperturbed by large Fams of veteran players, since  fams of veteran players are now incentivized by the moral system not to feed on them anymore.  Instead, large Fams of veteran players are incentivized by the morale system to fight each other. 

Is this working, though?

If it is working, new players will stay, and game membership will grow.