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Ok now I know what you're all thinking and you may be right but we're going to do it anyway.

Now keep in mind as neither a citizen of America, Iran, or any nation that would aid either said in a conflict between them I have no vested interest either way I just hate seeing people make stupid decisions.  So here we go with the reasons

1) Preparation - Since the US invaded Iraq I doubt there is a single Arab nation that didn't think, "Crap we're next."  On this note Iran will be much more prepared for a US attack than Iraq was which will draw out the initial conflict longer.

2) PR - If the US invaded Iran it would be the 3rd Arab nation they invaded in a decade and this will bring up allegations of restarting the crusades, ethnic cleansing, etc. that will make people less enamored of the States which will effect trade which hurts the economy so there is a monetary reason to not look like the next Nazis

3) Time - Starting in 2000 the United States have been in a state of continuous war, first Afghanistan and now Iraq.  Now the US declared Saddam defeated in 2004 and have been dealing with insurgents since then.  So even if they finished in this year that means 4 years were spent just trying to stabilize the country.  So let's say Iran is defeated, in the same terms Iraq was, inside a year so that takes you to 2009.  Now let's say another 4 years for dealing with people who are pissed you ousted their government and that takes you to 2013.  Now the reason I bring this up is because I cannot think of a single nation that went to war for more than a DECADE and came out of it better than they went in.

4) Innefficient - Iran is a democratic-ish nation so the people are able to effect the government, unlike Iraq.  With that in mind the mere threat of violence may be enough to get them to straighten up and fly right.  The important thing is not to voice it as a threat.  Something along the lines of "If the Iranian government does not cease activity x we will have no choice but to intervene and bring a stop to it ourselves." makes it seem like you are reluctant to go to war over this, and for the record there should not be a first world nation that ISN'T reluctant to go to war (it disrupts business).  This get the Iranian government to change it's policies, or better the people to change their government, without the wasteful costs of arms, ammunition, transportation, medical supplies, food, shelter, funerals, etc.

So those are for reasons NOT to invade Iran, I know Americans get bored easily but the world is getting sick of your new hobby.

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I think It's much simpler. USA cannot afford another war because it would be to costly. The unpopular Iraq war has already hurt social programs and the  people won't stand for it.

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Maybe this time the West will get a proper fight then, though I doubt it.

Anywho, I propose a different war be fought versus Iran. We don't need many boots on the ground, start by firebombing the major civilian centers, destroy anything with any economical value and demolish any and all religious and govermental institutions. And for some nostalgia, torch their fields and orchards and cover the remains with salt. Then when the survivors try to rebuild the country, bomb them too.

Past experience has shown it to be a guaranteed succes!

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BiefstukFriet it will be hard to bomb large cities of civilians and make it look like they are doing the right thing.... See if they invaded they would try and look like they were helping the ppl of the country and if they bombed the whole place to hell i doubt that they would get much support from anyone and would just make Bush look like Hitler

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Well, like I said they should try a different approach. Dispense with the good guy routine, fear works!

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5) Iran is a threat to nothing but Iran.

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"Past experience has shown it to be a guaranteed succes!"

For who exactly?  Carpet bombing eliminates enemies true, it also makes you enemies; specifically Western enemies.  As I mentioned PR is something to keep in mind here.  People give the US a hard time for accidental civillian deaths I'm pretty sure the bulk of Western civilization would end all trade, and damn the economic consequences, if they actively refused to discriminate at all.  Not to mention the Nazi associations that would be made, accusations of genocide, so on and so forth which really just never end well.

"5) Iran is a threat to nothing but Iran."

That too.

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Why does everyone assume we must occupy Iran? Why can we not destroy their military, their political structure, and trash their transportation routes a little instead? No occupation means no worries. We can then say "This was for these reasons, if you do anything near those reasons, we will return but we will also destroy your oil wells, your entire transportation infrastructure, any factories, and any new military and or government you have made since this current attack".

I find it quite a powerful way to send a message.

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> Einstein wrote:

> Why does everyone assume we must occupy Iran? Why can we not destroy their military, their political structure, and trash their transportation routes a little instead? No occupation means no worries.

Yeah, but that's what the coalition tried to do with Iraq and we ended up having to stay there and rebuild the country.  Besides, going in, blowing everything up then leaving would be extremely irresponsible.

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We did not have to stay in Iraq, we decided to. We could decide never to stay in Iran.

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> DPS wrote:

> "Past experience has shown it to be a guaranteed succes!"

For who exactly?  Carpet bombing eliminates enemies true, it also makes you enemies; specifically Western enemies.  As I mentioned PR is something to keep in mind here.  People give the US a hard time for accidental civillian deaths I'm pretty sure the bulk of Western civilization would end all trade, and damn the economic consequences, if they actively refused to discriminate at all.  Not to mention the Nazi associations that would be made, accusations of genocide, so on and so forth which really just never end well.

"5) Iran is a threat to nothing but Iran."

That too. <



The salt bit worked wonders versus Carthage. And you questions and examples show exactly why the Western world is beset by enemies on all sides. We're a bunch of pansies, we should not worry about the PR in the Western world, screw the Nazi associations. We need to destroy a threat, doing it with as little casualties and time spend and being ruthless is the best option.

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What threat?

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Why would they invade Iran? And reasons for it? Except of course "we are making weapons that you have as well!"?

Geez, let them be! OR drop your nukes and then ask them to as well:)

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Actually, we will make the LEFTISTS happy this time.

They can bitch about the build up to the war, then we launch the war, and when all is going well, the celebrate w/everyone else.  If all goes bad, they bitch and moan again.......

Chances of all going bad is slim and none.

BUT, the big FU.  As the military crushes Iranian units, Iranian infrastructure, and Iranian Communication and Command centers.......we leave.

We leave, that way the left can bitch about how we left Iran in turmoil, show all the separate groups move to take as much control as possible....Violence and mayhem in Tehran. 

The left can bitch and moan how Iran should have been helped along to rebuild.

The LEFTISTS will NEVER be happy.  They always play the side of the asshole.

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"The left can bitch and moan how Iran should have been helped along to rebuild.

The LEFTISTS will NEVER be happy.  They always play the side of the asshole."

Yes because only an asshole would consider destroying all industry and infrastructure in a nation then just leaving as anything but ok?

BW I don't think it's all that surprising that people who advocate NOT going to war would also advocate NOT leaving the country in a state from which they can never recover on their own.

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6) The United States are not self centred.

7) The United States cares about YOU.

8) The United States loves YOU.

9) You love the United States.

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Still, I see no reason to invade them at all... I don't see any reason to invade any country that doesn't slaughter their own people or that invades other nations.

Meaning anyone invading USA would be ok atm, not many other:P

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If America invades North Korea, with a view to ending the reign of the "People's Party", I would support that.
But only if they were honest about it.

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Hahaha, Fokker... they are never honest about it. They have no economical gain from invading N. Korea so they wont:P

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> &#9773; Fokker wrote:

> What threat?


The threat of the News becoming stale and repetetive. It's always Muslim this, Muslim that, it's starting to get annoying! It's time we got rid of the source so we can watch reports of the Annual Fancy Fare.

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BW, following your argument, the US invades Iran, blowing everything to shit, then leaves.

And what exactly do you think will happen in 10 years from then? When AL-Queada has come in and rebuild Iran has a nation devoted to the destruction of the Western world? You can't even stop 1 fragmented organization with that goal, how will you stop a whole nation?

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> sad sKoE )= wrote:

> Ergh Fokkker.

Invading North Korea would cost lives, risk nuclear war with China, and destablise the region.

As it is, North Korea will merge with South Korea in the years to come. Please, for the love of god/your country/McDonalds, stay away from North Korea. <

It was my subtle way of saying I would have supported the Iraq Invasion if the Coalition had said from the beginning that they were going in to do what they should have done in 1991; End the Ba'athist regime, rather than jabber about WMDs or whatever else.

The same applies to Iran. If the US said "We are going to invade to end the Clerics rule and instill true democracy" I would not have a problem. As it is this nuclear excuse is about as believable as Einstein announcing his marriage to a Muslim girl.

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>>"We are going to invade to end the Clerics rule and instill true democracy"<<

Fokker, certainly you are more intelligent than this? The US will never back a military operation that does not include some -financial or otherwise- reward for them.

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Cute.

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Bombing large civilian cities would be in violation of the Laws/Rules of Civilised Warfare/Conflict I believe...

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