if you don't know by now elysian this thread is about the video

and what does the caliph say?

lol i told you already this thread is becoming pointless by the seconds

i don't even know what i responded to in my post, and i'm too lazy to check :S

In the first place this thread was about denouncing Islam because of what one priest sort of said, if you don't listen properly and change what he means in your head, in the way only flint and bw can do.

If we agree that one priest can't dictate what islam actually can or can't do then we are fine... ISlam goes back to being what it was before... much like christianity, able to be perverted to what ever little sick fantasy you want if you twist the words you want in just the right way, however the majority don't and they are fine...

the small minority do not make the whole wrong.

people have made the actions of Jesus justify their acts of mass murder...

rofl

you are incorrect - I have muslim friends, travelled in parts of the muslim world and have read the quran and some secondary sources

if you're down to swearing and ad hominem attacks then I guess this debate has finally run its course

> East wrote:

> it's a bit hard to twist the confirmed buggering of children

besides why does every argument on religion have to end up with involving a pot shot at christianity? traumatised much?

Ironic, this whole thread is a potshot at Islam. Yet you don't seem too phased about that, you hypocrite.

> Einstein wrote:
He notes Muhammad had sex with his wife when she was 9 years old.
9 years old? They dont have any chance of having a menstraul cycle yet,.... the youngest EVER recorded was a 10 year old having a child....

they actually do have a chance, but it is very uncommon (hormonal imbalance etc)
i was told that it was 9 in mooncalender years, wich would be a bit older in sun calender years, mebbe 17 - 19 or something   dont pin me on this, only trying to remember what somebody once said

i think others pointed out already the concept of marriage of a contractual nature, marriage as a way to secure children's future (economically, socially and in some (old) cases to prevent the enemy of stealing girls/young women away) these offcourse dont apply to just one religion/time/place

(for the record, i didnt read the all of the replies, just glanced at a few, so i might actually be offtopic here, lol)

there are several good arguments to condone muhammeds behaviour on a cultural level (I would have expected people to point them out a long time ago), hence why his supporters like to limit the debate to mere legality instead of morality, but as far as I'm concerned none of those negate the fact that (as I pointed out already) he was nothing but an ordinary man

the argument about the incorrect age is out there, it is a doubtful one and most muslims scholars themselves accept that the stated ages are the correct ones

No, you have nothing more to discuss.  That doesn't mean nobody else has ideas to contribute.

weird someone would call this a potshot at islam. it's about a troubling episode of the central figure of the religion, which has huge repercussions on the religion itself, and its +1 billion practitioners.

on the other hand, it's not a condemnation of the whole religion, but of this one element, which is troubling just as its troubling some ppl would look the other way or dismiss it, or even worse, justify it.