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Topic: Zimbabwe at the Polls

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7478399.stm

I wonder who will win, Mugabe, or Mugabe?

Its a real bad situation in Southern Africa (like the rest is any better). African leaders are hesitant to criticize Mugabe because compared to him, the rest seem like normal leaders. Its not like western nations are doing much, but that can't really be helped with zero support from other African nations

A question for any Dutch people here, what has the political response to Morgan Tsvangirai hiding in the Dutch embassy?

I think we should make a game out of Zimbabwe's inflation rate like the one over fuel prices, we should guess what the rate would be at the end of the year. I believe it is in the region of 150,000% at the moment but some say it will reach 1,500,000% by the end of the year.

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I wonder if Mugabe will get more than 100% of the votes this time

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A question for any Dutch people here, what has the political response to Morgan Tsvangirai hiding in the Dutch embassy?


As far as i know Tsvangirai is free to stay as long as he likes (hasnt requested asylum yet) and Mugabe respects the embassys rights

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Re: Zimbabwe at the Polls

I think military intervention is long overdue, how can a leader hurt his people so?  If the Western nations were truly the champions of freedom and democracy, they'd have sent an army there to depose Mugabe by now.

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Why don

The inmates are running the asylum

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I'm not physically fit enough.  Also, when you volunteer for the army you don't get to decide where you are deployed, your superiors decide that.

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"If the Western nations were truly the champions of freedom and democracy, they'd have sent an army there to depost Mugabe by now."

Yes because military invasions have worked out so well recently in bringing peace and stability.  The problem with Africa is in most of these areas the only people in any position to take over control are just as bad as the people in charge now.  The only way Western nations could help would be to establish a Western Government, not even what they have in Iraq I'm talking complete foreign control, until it has reached a point that the people are in such a position that should another tyrant begin his rise to power they can stop it.

This would be a process of years, possibly decades, and all the while people would be wailing and whining that the foreign forces need to leave.  Africa requires drastic change to keep the cycle from starting over again and very few people are willing to invest the time and resources into making that change.

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True, but a speech was made by a certain national leader that America and Europe were at the forefront of democracy and freedom, or something to that effect.  So should liberating Zimbabwe not be a top priority?  Or are we doomed to only invade countries which are rich in oil?

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Mugabe will die soon of old age anyway.

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If trying to solve the problem can't solve the problem, as DPS said, trying to solve it is stupid.

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The reason we cant do Zimbabwe is the same reason we cant do Iran.

Liberals wont let us.

If all liberals died overnight this problem would of course solve itself, but lets say if all Liberals in Europe and the United States died overnight... then Iran, Zimbabwe, Sudan, and other nations would see American troops inside their borders fixing the problems rather permamently.. and since Europes issues would be over whats left of their populations would assist as well tongue

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Huh?
Its the liberals crying loudest for intervention.

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Those damn liberals, they want us to do it and then they wont let us do it...

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Maybe if you werent such hypocrits it wouldnt be sucha big issue ^.^

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Africa have crap all resources, they can die off and the US wouldnt care. probably use the area for weapon testing or something.

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"if all Liberals in Europe and the United States died overnight... then Iran, Zimbabwe, Sudan, and other nations would see American troops inside their borders fixing the problems rather permamently"

No it wouldn't be a permanent fix.  Eliminating the worst of the bunch does nothing if the only people in a position to replace them are just as bad.  If the US killed Mugabe they'd have to remain there and ensure a proper government is set up and secure or they'd be back in like 2 years.  Same with Iran and Sudan, these are not problems that can be fixed quickly.  They need time to work themselves out and rearrange themselves.  I am saying this not as an uncaring A-hole but as a rational human being, the best option is to stay out.

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you dont need to stay. Why do people try to believe this?


Instead you tell everyone who aspires to power... if you step outta line you WILL die! Show them enough proof of your following through, keep doing it as needed, and would-be dictators will get the idea....

They will know genocide, state sanctioned rape, slavery, nukes, and even mere democide is NOT ALLOWED. They will do anything to be seen as opposing those.

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i blame the brits for this mess.

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"you dont need to stay. Why do people try to believe this?


Instead you tell everyone who aspires to power... if you step outta line you WILL die! Show them enough proof of your following through, keep doing it as needed, and would-be dictators will get the idea...."

Which is what I said, you either stay or keep coming back.  Fear of death will only make dictators more subtle, rather than opposition being executed publicly they will die in unfortunate "accidents".  Foreign reporters who get too close to something the government wants to keep hidden will also suffer "accidents".

Even if they're not subtle even the most war crazy people in America will eventually get sick of the recurring cost of killing these people off.

"i blame the brits for this mess."

Well if we gotta blame somebody I guess they're as good as any.

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the problem in this case is definatly mugabe and his cronies; he's like the little kid who not only got his hand into the cookie jar but actually got to take the cookie jar home

everything he has been doing ever since he got into office is to take care of himself and his own; now this was to be expected and even acceptable up to a point, it's logical for him to give some sort of reward to his war veterans and such; but it has gone way past that

the reason why his country is in a mess is nothing more than his kleptocracy, which plundered the country and forces him to deplete the remaining zimbabwean national wealth by printing ever more money and selling out to the chinese

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Hey, if I had to run a country after all the western enterprises and educated people had been forced out, I'd go Mugabe style as well.

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the british should've kept their empire in africa and finished civilizing it.

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