1 (edited by The Yell 25-Aug-2014 19:45:23)

Topic: Militarization of Police

So the American Right, egged on by the rising libertarians, wants to complain about the Militarization of Police.  I guess that is the New Right, that likes complaining about crap it will never change.

Police Departments are getting military surplus body armor, semiautomatic M4 carbines in 5.56mm, camoflauge uniforms, and armored trucks with firing slots and offroad suspension.

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Personally I think it's great.  I'm from the old school that put National Guard in the streets.  And they shot people in 1992, because they were freaking stupid.

I am not a libertarian.  I think it is an ignorant, unAmerican philosophy of drug users and people who don't know US history. When I hear that "people don't lose their rights just because some people are committing crimes"  I am ready to scream.  Yes, when you are protesting, and somebody next to you throws a firebomb at police, you are either a witness or an accessory.  You do not have the right to stand there, illegally, protesting, and interfering with the arrest of a violent felon.

The Sheriff's Department, in their glorious war gear, are that "well-regulated militia" the 2nd Amendment is talking about.  They don't answer to Congress. They're local. They're temporary, in that they can be dismissed anytime.  They're not part of the armed forces of the national government.   They're doing the job that George Washington wanted them to do , that Andrew Jackson wanted them to do, that Abraham Lincoln wanted them to do: kick ass and take names.

Libertarians believe their ass cannot be kicked, their name cannot be taken.  This is unAmerican. 

That whole "People who want to trade liberty for security deserve neither" and "Better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be punished"  philosphy, to excuse looting and arson in a riot, is suicidal and unAmerican.  This is a country of the posse, the Vigilance Committee, of collective and open lynch justice when it really hits the fan.  We do not have to stand back and watch you burn it down.   We can, and will, shoot you.  We can pay the Sheriff to build a team to shoot you.

This former cop, Sunil Dutta says it well:

A teenager is fatally shot by a police officer; the police are accused of being bloodthirsty, trigger-happy murderers; riots erupt. This, we are led to believe, is the way of things in America.

It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed. And while they’re unlikely to defend it quite as loudly during a time of national angst like this one, people who work in law enforcement know they are legally vested with the authority to detain suspects — an authority that must sometimes be enforced. Regardless of what happened with Mike Brown, in the overwhelming majority of cases it is not the cops, but the people they stop, who can prevent detentions from turning into tragedies.

Working the street, I can’t even count how many times I withstood curses, screaming tantrums, aggressive and menacing encroachments on my safety zone, and outright challenges to my authority. In the vast majority of such encounters, I was able to peacefully resolve the situation without using force. Cops deploy their training and their intuition creatively, and I wielded every trick in my arsenal, including verbal judo, humor, warnings and ostentatious displays of the lethal (and nonlethal) hardware resting in my duty belt. One time, for instance, my partner and I faced a belligerent man who had doused his car with gallons of gas and was about to create a firebomb at a busy mall filled with holiday shoppers. The potential for serious harm to the bystanders would have justified deadly force. Instead, I distracted him with a hook about his family and loved ones, and he disengaged without hurting anyone. Every day cops show similar restraint and resolve incidents that could easily end up in serious injuries or worse.

Sometimes, though, no amount of persuasion or warnings work on a belligerent person; that’s when cops have to use force, and the results can be tragic. We are still learning what transpired between Officer Darren Wilson and Brown, but in most cases it’s less ambiguous — and officers are rarely at fault. When they use force, they are defending their, or the public’s, safety.

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?


DON’T ARGUE WITH ME, DON’T CALL ME NAMES, DON’T TELL ME THAT I CAN’T STOP YOU, DON’T SAY I’M A RACIST PIG, DON’T THREATEN THAT YOU’LL SUE ME AND TAKE AWAY MY BADGE. DON’T SCREAM AT ME THAT YOU PAY MY SALARY, AND DON’T EVEN THINK OF AGGRESSIVELY WALKING TOWARDS ME.

I know it is scary for people to be stopped by cops. I also understand the anger and frustration if people believe they have been stopped unjustly or without a reason. I am aware that corrupt and bully cops exist. When it comes to police misconduct, I side with the ACLU: Having worked as an internal affairs investigator, I know that some officers engage in unprofessional and arrogant behavior; sometimes they behave like criminals themselves. I also believe every cop should use a body camera to record interactions with the community at all times. Every police car should have a video recorder. (This will prevent a situation like Mike Brown’s shooting, about which conflicting and self-serving statements allow people to believe what they want.) And you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant (though a pat-down is still allowed if there is cause for suspicion). Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave. Unless the officer has a legal basis to stop and search you, he or she must let you go. Finally, cops are legally prohibited from using excessive force: The moment a suspect submits and stops resisting, the officers must cease use of force.

But if you believe (or know) that the cop stopping you is violating your rights or is acting like a bully, I guarantee that the situation will not become easier if you show your anger and resentment. Worse, initiating a physical confrontation is a sure recipe for getting hurt. Police are legally permitted to use deadly force when they assess a serious threat to their or someone else’s life. Save your anger for later, and channel it appropriately. Do what the officer tells you to and it will end safely for both of you. We have a justice system in which you are presumed innocent; if a cop can do his or her job unmolested, that system can run its course. Later, you can ask for a supervisor, lodge a complaint or contact civil rights organizations if you believe your rights were violated. Feel free to sue the police! Just don’t challenge a cop during a stop.

An average person cannot comprehend the risks and has no true understanding of a cop’s job. Hollywood and television stereotypes of the police are cartoons in which fearless super cops singlehandedly defeat dozens of thugs, shooting guns out of their hands. Real life is different. An average cop is always concerned with his or her safety and tries to control every encounter. That is how we are trained. While most citizens are courteous and law abiding, the subset of people we generally interact with everyday are not the genteel types. You don’t know what is in my mind when I stop you. Did I just get a radio call of a shooting moments ago? Am I looking for a murderer or an armed fugitive? For you, this might be a “simple” traffic stop, for me each traffic stop is a potentially dangerous encounter. Show some empathy for an officer’s safety concerns. Don’t make our job more difficult than it already is.

Community members deserve courtesy, respect and professionalism from their officers. Every person stopped by a cop should feel safe instead of feeling that their wellbeing is in jeopardy. Shouldn’t the community members extend the same courtesy to their officers and project that the officer’s safety is not threatened by their actions? http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery … llenge-me/

Or else.

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Re: Militarization of Police

I was waiting for a cop hate rant from the whole Brown thing, nice to see that it hasn't happened yet. Only two people know for certain what happened and one can't talk. I will tell you this, the UN has strict rules for use of lethal force by police. Also, as a police officer who has been forced to draw his gun I know the difference between the media portrayal and reality, don't believe everything you hear in the media - if they can't get the facts they'll make them up.

As for the title of the thread, in queensland the only unit with military style vehicles is our equivalent to swat. The service rifle is an m4, but the need for an assault rifle has come about due to America and her active shooters at university campuses.

In short, those who are ignorant to the facts should wait on the truth. Mob mentality leads to mistakes and more wasted loss of life.

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3 (edited by The Yell 26-Aug-2014 17:20:13)

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The service rifle is an m4, but the need for an assault rifle has come about due to America and her active shooters at university campuses.

Nice flame attempt tongue ! Out here they're issued because two guys went Ned Kelly --- started robbing banks in broad daylight and shooting it out with police as police bullets went *ping* off their body armor

Local patrol officers at the time were typically armed with their standard issue 9 mm or .38 Special pistols, with some having a 12-gauge shotgun available in their cars. Phillips and Mătăsăreanu carried illegally modified fully automatic Norinco Type 56 S-1s, a Bushmaster XM15 Dissipator, and a HK-91 rifle with high capacity drum magazines and ammunition capable of penetrating vehicles and police Kevlar vests. The bank robbers wore body armor which successfully deflected bullets and shotgun pellets fired by the responding patrolmen. SWAT eventually arrived bearing sufficient firepower, and they commandeered an armored truck to evacuate the wounded. Several officers also appropriated AR-15 rifles from a nearby firearms dealer. The incident sparked debate on the need for patrol officers to upgrade their capabilities in similar situations in the future.[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Actually US cops went "military" after the 1986 Miami-Dade shootout, when 6 FBI guys armed with the normal "Bring your own" mixed bag of handguns went up against 2 bank robbers with military backgrounds.  Rather than surrender the robbers shot it out with the FBI, killing 2 agents and severely wounding others as they reloaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Stone Age Grug has stone club, not wood! Bad!


Bronze Age
Persius has a spear and leather armor,wth he aint military!

Iron Age
Did you see the town watch? They have sword and breast plates!

Gun Powder Age
When the constibles forces have blunderbuss then all of society is in danger!

1700's
Ahh jeez now they have muskets! When will this militarization end?

1800's
Wth they have repeating rifles? And what is this with them getting cavalry horses

Early 1900's
Did you see the officer with a semi-auto handgun? I even heard they might get some cars!

Post WWII
They sure shot those gangsters up good with those Tommie Guns!

70's and 80's
I think these purchases of Helicopters and an APC or two for some of the biggest cities is alarming...

90's
This body armor, solid shot for shotguns, mace, and steel batons scares me, I have nightmares at night!

Current Times
Holy crap cities are getting an Armored Vehicle per 200,000-million people! This is clearly overpowered!

40 years from now
In the strongest terms I object to Detroit, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles each buying 40 exosuit body armors! Clearly their swat teams being ready for severe situations is excessive and anti-community!

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Yeah I am mocking a lot of people on their hysteria.

It was not to long ago Los Angeles Police had to fight two bank robbers dressed in full body armor with their handguns. Handguns versus full auto rifles.

How many police lives has a bullet proof vest saved? Why complain about lethal force as only option then complain about mace and a stun gun?

Why is an MRAP, with only a water hose and tear gas dispensers a threat to all of us? What should they do use a patrol car and guys with hand tossed grenades when Anonymous rioters throw molotov cocktails? Or a worn down, expensive to maintain, APC from the 60's?

The way I see it is criminals and libertarians are obecting because police say no to their desired life styles. Sorry libertarians we need police or gangs WILL take over. And no we won't decriminalize drugs for you either.

All of this "omg" over a few APCs when guard units in every city have 100+ times the firepower of the whole of all police forces in the area makes me laugh. Those armored transports are nothing in a vast city, they cannot project power, they are useless in a real civil war, they are nothing... there is no threat in a place like Chicago owning 4-8 of these suckers. Quit crying wolf on this subject and keep attention focused on things that matter like Common Core, like the IRS abuses, like the EPA, like Amnesty... in short GROW UP!

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5 (edited by The Yell 26-Aug-2014 21:47:54)

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I have promised libertarians that out of respect for their feelings, I will not call a cop if I have a problem with them.

They'll be the ones to call a cop.

But they reject my good faith offer, shows how little compromise they have in them.  Most ungenerous.


Einstein -- they think they should be able to dismiss the cops.   They should be able to argue with a cop out of making an arrest.  They should be able to form a crowd and intimidate the cop into letting somebody arrested go free.  And if that doesn't work they should be able to riot and win.

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Also, as a police officer who has been forced to draw his gun I know the difference between the media portrayal and reality, don't believe everything you hear in the media - if they can't get the facts they'll make them up.

Yeah, CNN has anonymous audio which they say MIGHT be the gunfight.  They haven't confirmed it.  Sounds like a dozen shots on that audio.  Maybe it's the JFK assassination...

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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I'm fairly surprised Gwynedd and I have the same way of thinkin about media manipulation and global politics.
My apologies sometimes in the past i had the wrong impression about you being a sheep

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About the topic i couldnt read all you long postsChris but i will do when i get a comp.
I think militarization of police fits perfectly with the NWO. They gonna need a big force when fifhting citizens house by house because you american people are stron gly armed. They'll have to force you inject the ebola vaccine (which holds the real poison) or another future falseflag stuff (you never know when its a testing experiment like the A-flu was, ebola can just be another, or no more simulated exercises)

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...or force you into FEMA camps etc...

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OK fighting the government will not look like this

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And the cure for an impenetrable vehicle is to immobilize it.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Paint balls, buckets fling by catapult, and hoses with paint attachments.

Cannot drive if you cannot see.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Yeah that's what I meant.  Paintballs and buckets of paint.

Not guncotton buried in oil under rail trestles. 

Paint. You know. Legal stuff.

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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paint has lost it since it replaced paintbrush.

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Yell if you capture equipment intact... think on it.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
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/shoots Einstein for looting

sorry Ike, field court martial

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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WHAT THE F...!? POLICE BRUTALITY???

*/ LP gets himself a bucket popcorn and sits down by the side / *