I love pork!

As Churchill once said: "Cats look down on you and dogs look up to you, but a pig looks you in the eye and treat you like an equal."

Well, I'm leaving on a 2 week vacation tomorrow, so I won't be posting... I tried to slowly pull myself out every discussion.. Just so you'd know

"What about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Saint Days then?"

What about them Alan?

Elysian you must understand, what we dispise today was acceptable back in those days, we're talking thousands of years here, there was big big difference

as the judge in the video says, the person must make this decision to be right or wrong himself, consdiering law and environment and his/her own moral judgement

Islam has no answer for this matter as there is no minimal or maximum age listen in any book for any religion,

you did two things wrong there elysian, one you made a morale decision, "doesn't make any of them right"
i have said many times i DO NOT think it is right to marry little girls, but that is my morale decision, the logical thing according to any religion is that you can marry any age

BUT

the guy in the video states you MUST base this on your culture and environment, in some parts of the world mostly third world countries, it is accpeted by the community and the law, that is their decision and we can't do anything about that no matter how wrong we might think it is

And again Islam does not have an answer other than that you have to decide according to your culture and environment, and the judge did give an example and i'll admit he should've added on the difference from then and now, but he also did cancel out this example earlier in the video where he said you MUST follow your environment,

but religion plays a part in hitlers actions, it is wrong in every religion to kill someone

and hitler killed

when religion or its holy book can't give you an answer you have to rely on your culture, environment and the law in your country/region

that is my basic point , you can't make a morale decision in this matter because the video and this whole discussion is really all about being logical, that's why i said yes most of us including me think young marriage or sex is wrong but that's a morale decision the video is basically telling you the logical answer,

What he means is that there is no written law in any religious holy texts which say anything about legal ages of marriage. He is saying that such things are the judgements of society, and hence are cultural morals not religious morals.

Strangely enough you both seem to be arguing the same thing, that having sex with little girls is repugnant. However where you differ is your views on religion in relations to this. You seem to thin that because the prophet apparently did it and some random judge didn't condemn it means that all of Islam must be tainted by the same brush and thus Islam is evil and you can marry 1 year olds and rape little girls and its ok. Gladiator is arguing that Ilam has no stance on that, and neither does any religion, and that it is merely a judgement made by society. Thus different societies will look at things differently. Yes he holds Moral Relitivism, and thats ok, if that is how he wants to look at the world.. though he has it a bit more specific which is religious moral relitivism, ie anything not written in a holy book is then a judgement call by the society at that time. So your 10 commandments are universal, but 9 year old girl sex isn't.

Also the trinity is a central tennant of Catholicism, not christianity.

you fool summed it up preety nicely

for the record my next post was guna be saying that me and elysian don't really have different views on the topic, but youfool already did that job

Elysian i am familiar with Him, i've read the translated version of the Quran, i personally find not even one thing wrong, and the few quotes you might throw my way are taken out of context and are mis-understood 

well in this situation i mean by it that

since nothing is said you must assume the obvious and say that there is no minimal age so you can get married at any age

that's the logical solution but offcourse the judge says you must follow culture and regional law

gladiator, i'm asking what is logical to you in the scenario, but what you think the word logical means, because it seems like in one of your previous posts that we have different understandings of the meaning of the word.

before ppl can discuss, they have to share a vocabulary.

i'm not sure that islam necessarily condemns it. you see, islam isn't quite the same as orthodoxy or catholicism with unified doctrine and hierarchy.

actually, christianity does condemn sexual relations with minors.

see, again, your "it doesn't say anything in any religious book" doesn't fly in Christianity or Judaism and i suppose other religions; these religions draw from more than simply what is stated in their sacred scrit.

where in the bible does it forbid condoms? yet the Catholic Church forbade them to catholics in Paul VI's Humanae Vitae, 1976. same with Catholic tradition of celibacy. and Orthodox tradition of celibacy among the episcopacy.

you can't divide a line between religion and social customs/mores. they are threads intertwined.

being familiar with islam as you are, you should be aware of this, as Islam and Arab culture are so intertwined.

your ignoring the haditha which are also "religious books" for Islam. and in the haditha, mohammed nails a 9 year old.