tranqulizers, some quick moves, and the Spetnaz infiltrators suddenly find themselves in a posh Prison in France would be my solution to the new wave of infiltrations.

We should have a bet over what and when Putin will invade something next.

I blame schniepel for using Russian gas to cook his ramen noodles

I would consider taking parts of that bet, if it didn't require me to join a family. 

"They got between 2 and 4 % less voters for pro-Russian parties with Crimea being part of Russia now. If wikipedia is any good as a source, 4% is the difference between the first and the second party last elections. I also bet many people will flee from or go to Crimea, making the difference even greater.
Many Ukrainians voted for him, it wouldn't surprise me if his party lost a lot of votes."

Thats something i thought about after making that post.
But who knows.. Maybe Putin gives Crimea back to Ukrain before the elections, since thats what everyone demands.
Maybe the pro western voters are torn between Timochenko and Klitschko.

And.. I dont use gas for cooking

Also i´d like to mention, that with the western support for Timochenko we are doing a huge mistake and are getting more more more bigot... How can we support someone who says things like:

"I'm ready to take a gun & shoot that bastard [Putin] in the head"
"Its about time we take our rifles and shot these damn russians, together with their leader"
"As soon as i regain my strength i will call the whole world to turn russia into scorched earth"

http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

also she said something about nuking the 8 million russians in ukrain...

I mean seriously.......

We, the west totally screw this up and we are by far more responsible for the current situation then most people want to believe.
Yesterday i saw a speech of Putin from 2001 in the german Bundestag. It was by far the most Pro European speech i have ever heard. I wish some EU politicians could do speeches like that. He painted a very clear picture of what visions he has about the EU russian relations.
Now thats 13 years ago.. and what did the west in the meantime do to tie russia closer to us?
Nothing, we worked really hard on pushing the further and further away, so now we are at a point where we have like no influence left.
Even now where everyone says "We need to solve this diplomatical" we ban russia from all the summits where diplomacy could take place. Just to show how big balls we have...

First of all could you explain to me why you call Putin a massmurderer? I have been googling for like an hour and did not really find a clue.. chechenia?

"At least we give the Ukrainians the power back to vote bad leaders out."
They can do in may. But i fear they will vote horribly bad leaders in again! I dont see where putin is taking away the right to vote from ukrainians besides the ones living on the chrimea.

"And we almost believed him? What is the word of a mass murderer worth? He needed the west, because without selling gas he would have gone down long ago."
I am tempted to believe that his words at that time where not totally off and dishonest. Also that speech was made in a time where the russian economy was booming and it was not that clear that gas is all they have. Yes i do believe he was searching to become a closer ally to europe. But since we here in the golden west still think like in cold war times it was not possible to achieve.
Imagine how much more diplomatical influence we would have on putin if we would not have taken any chance to tell him "[language] evil ruski". And yes.. the missile shield was clearly against iran.. since balistic missiles use to fly zigzag course on their way to the NL or the US.

"Putin will never give Crimea back, as he would lose face and Russians abroad would stop supporting him. His power base isn't as stable as many here think. Next to that he need his black see fleet and cannot build a second harbor just like that."
Yes he most likely will not give it back. Besides from the fact that most people there do not want to be a gift to the Ukrain AGAIN.

"I just hope Putin is put aside asap, before any blood is shed. We should continue with our economic sanctions even if he does give Crimea back. It will force him into a democracy."
Oh yes LP. For sure we can force a country which has no democratic tradition into being a democracy over night. It worked so nice in Afghanistan.. Not to mention Iraq which is a perfect example for a perfect democracy today.
After all, Putin was elected 3 times. There are no signs that there has been a big amount of manipulation in any of that three elections. Surely there was a lot of propaganda though.. no doubt. But after all I think Russia is way more open, free and democratic then it was 20 years ago. And things need time...

After all I do believe we have to stop thinking in this old black and white thinking.. Putin is evil.. Ukrain is good.. blabla bullshit. We as the west should not give almost unconditional support to Ukrainian "politicians" who are not a single bit better then putin is.. and blame putin for the evil in the world in the same way. There is no doubt that the way putin acted was not the perfect solution, but we just give him no other chance. Yes, he can not risk loosing Sevastopol. Sevastopol is base if the russian black sea fleet for how long? 300 years? As someone here mentioned before, every westgern country in the same situation would have acted the same if they were able to do so. If puerto Rico would have decided to join the UDSSR in 1985, do you beliebe the US would have let them? While one of their biggest fleet bases is located there?

"First of all could you explain to me why you call Putin a massmurderer? I have been googling for like an hour and did not really find a clue.. chechenia?"
Its not like info on his concentration camps is hard to find. Many people "disappear". But yeah he did a lot of unnecessary wars  as well.

"They can do in may. But i fear they will vote horribly bad leaders in again!"
And they will get punished afterwards if they perform badly. That is how the system works.

"I dont see where putin is taking away the right to vote from ukrainians besides the ones living on the chrimea."
The previous leader of ukraine, supported by the Kremlin, made a state in effect an authoritarian regime. Only after the mass protests the parliament was restored to power. Its the same system as the soviet satellite states of old. If he wants authoritarian power, he needs putin. If putin wants control over ukraine, he needs an authoritarian regime. That is what happened, and that is why most people revolted.

"I am tempted to believe that his words at that time where not totally off and dishonest."
For real? That's beyond Naivety. You shouldn't believe any politician on his word, let go an authoritarian ex-kgb head of state.

"Also that speech was made in a time where the russian economy was booming and it was not that clear that gas is all they have."
How was it not clear? The nation was grounded under Yeltsin. It only went up "quick" in percentages because it fell to almost nothing first.

"Yes i do believe he was searching to become a closer ally to europe."
Why would he?

"But since we here in the golden west still think like in cold war times it was not possible to achieve."
I think most of us think in terms of oppressive regimes vs democratic ones. We gave Russia any chance to become democratic, free and tolerant. It would suffice for them not to oppress their own people to win our popular support like Gorbachev once did.

"Imagine how much more diplomatical influence we would have on putin if we would not have taken any chance to tell him "[language] evil ruski"."
Nothing, absolutely nothing. He would be more powerful and we would be a lot weaker.

"And yes.. the missile shield was clearly against iran.. since balistic missiles use to fly zigzag course on their way to the NL or the US."
No nation in the west ever thought of annexing Russia EVER. There lies the difference between an oppressive regime and a democratic independent nation. We would be happy if Russia became a real democracy because the nuclear threat would slowly fade away.

"Besides from the fact that most people there do not want to be a gift to the Ukrain AGAIN."
They will know what they bargained for soon enough. But you won't see anyone complaining that is true.

"Oh yes LP. For sure we can force a country which has no democratic tradition into being a democracy over night."
No, but we can force it the right way. We did it, and other nations can do the same. Its the only way forward. At least we can take care totalitarianism don't expands. They always start wars if they can,  no matter how you turn it.

Afghanistan and Iraq where invaded. I was talking about pressure to have a free country with a fully functional election system, not a war.

"After all, Putin was elected 3 times."
Very democratic idd.

"There are no signs that there has been a big amount of manipulation in any of that three elections."
Even in properly held elections in the west there are always signs of manipulation, be it on a small scale. If you don't see any signs at all, there is something terribly wrong. And we all know what went wrong. I would have voted Putin as well if I lived in Russia. Many of those who don't end up in prison anyway.

"Surely there was a lot of propaganda though.. no doubt. But after all I think Russia is way more open, free and democratic then it was 20 years ago. And things need time..."
If you speak your mind, you get beaten or end up in a concentration camp. Russia now is closer to Stalin's regime when it comes to oppression as during Gorbachev. There is little to no free press, and the 3 other divisions of powers of the state are all in the hands of a few. The same party members with privileges are now bathing in luxury and behaving like gods.

It still strikes me how many regard Putin as a fairly elected democratic and enlightened leader. Of course EU motives are dubious, but at least we stopped colonizing countries and mass imprisonment/killing off dissident voices. You have to see things in perspective here.

If Ukraine remains democratic, even with bad leaders, at least they still have a small chance of a better future. Ask yourself, were do you want to live? Poland under USSR or Poland now? This goes for almost any of those "eastern block" countries. Its far from perfect, but at least there is progress.

"Of course EU motives are dubious, but at least we stopped colonizing countries and mass imprisonment/killing off dissident voices."
We´ll we stopped taking them by military force yes. We still do ruin african countries. We just do not need soldiers and weapons but simply our economic power.

"If Ukraine remains democratic, even with bad leaders, at least they still have a small chance of a better future. Ask yourself, were do you want to live? Poland under USSR or Poland now? This goes for almost any of those "eastern block" countries. Its far from perfect, but at least there is progress."
I surely would prefer poland today. But i was born and raised under western values so they seem normal to me. Ask that question to a person who was born and raised in Poland before the wall fell and you may find many who´d give you a different answer. My Boss is from the former GDR and i allways recognize he misses many things from the old days...
Now you will answer "because he was indoctrinated by propaganda" and yes you are right. But for him it appears normal.
Its all so fucking relative:P

there i see my planets going down:(

"Did he invade something already? His bodyguard doesn't count..."

No, but as the Ukraine "Goverment" now is sending troops to the east to beat down the pro russian protest, i bet there will something be happening soon.