yes well, they chose their 'premium lands' and now they will try to make it a puppet state.

That would be stupid
Ukraine has like 3000 tanks and  as many APCs

The Randbunnies declare that Ukraine is in Russia's sphere of influence so they can rape what they like

i am totally undecided on this.. the fact that like 60% of the krims population are russians makes it kinda difficult i think.
The Ukrain just decided they want to go a new way.. its totally fine but imho they also have to accept that there are parts of the ukrain which do not want to go that way.
60% of the Krims population are russians, only 20% are ukrainians.
If its the desire of the people of the krim to join russia, the ukrain should have the balls to let them go, everything else is just "who got the bigger balls" game and the ukrain will loose it in the end.
Its really not the wests business. Why should we take any action? I dont want the west to take actions..

The "west" has allready proven it is not capable of solving the ukrains problems.

"Our Beloved President corrects you Little Paul
it was an uncontested arrival"
lol

@esa:
"That would be stupid. Ukraine has like 3000 tanks and  as many APCs"
But part of the commanders and drivers speak only Russian.

@einstein:
"The smart choice would be to offer NATO status to Ukraine starting in 17 days. Putin would poo his pants."
I agree. Unfortunately NATO acts very poorly atm offering warnings nobody takes serious. Its almost as ridiculous as the phone call from the president. If we let any democratic nation down, why shouldn't the Sovie er..Russians invade? Its the medieval way.

@schniepel:
A sollution can be found for the bases Krim. But you can't let down entire Ukraine and that is what they are going to take if we let them. That is a disaster for every citizen there, including the Russians, except a handful of oligarchs maybe if they stay friends to the kremlin.

except schniepel that would basically be saying "OK Ukraine you can be Chernobyl and everything downstream of Chernobyl and that part gets the debts, we get all these people and their juicy natural resources.  FOAD poverty-stricken bastards"

Its more like Putin drew that card and isn't smart enough to conquer other territories first.

lol

"yes lol"
I wouldn't know what to answer if you said "no lol".

"but you barely see pro janukovic demonstrations which in fact do happen in eastern ukrain."
But they are on a lesser scale. Which is logical as he is in power.

"Janukovic was a democratically elected president but who cares."
He did away with democracy so he lost his legitimacy.

"Two more or less happy countries are better then one country being deeply divided inside."
Its not that easy. The eastern part holds the majority of the industry. Next to that it would annexed to an autocratic medieval and murderous regime. They do have prison camps like in the Stalin era, only less productive. I'm sure they'll get better in it over the years.

Arm wrestle Chuck Norris.

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"But they are on a lesser scale. Which is logical as he is in power."
he is not in power anymore, and it seems that many many govermental buildings in charkov or donezk are occupied by pro russian protestors. They may be on a smaller scale then the maidan protest but also they are just not really present in our  media.

"He did away with democracy so he lost his legitimacy."
At what point did he loose it? When he worked out the association contract with the EU he was totally fine for our politicians. Did he loose his legitimacy when he decided he´d go for russia instead? Or when "his snipers" shot at people on the maidan?`There is some intresting new info about that though:

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/2014/0 … onian.html

this would not surprise me if i am honest.

"Its not that easy. The eastern part holds the majority of the industry. Next to that it would annexed to an autocratic medieval and murderous regime. They do have prison camps like in the Stalin era, only less productive. I'm sure they'll get better in it over the years."
Yeah i know that. But that is something the new goverment should have considered before they banned the native language of the majority of people living there. And russia for sure is not the ideal state i would want to live in. But if the people in the eastern ukrain want to be tied to russia it is their decision. Its not to the west to tell them that they dont want it.