Topic: The GMO Food Scare Craze

This is one of my pet peeves. This makes me frustrated that we fall for the tricks of the left that use fear to generate votes.

The World has been eating GMO food technically for millennium. In context of the current scare we have for several decades. So what does this mean? It means that hundreds of millions to several billion people have eaten GMO food. This ranges from corn, wheat, apples, and more. And over these decades there is no proof of a human die off from GMO food. In fact there is no proof of any across the board illnesses, contagions, or any issues that can be directly attributed to GMO food.

Now some will try to point at bee's but this is a false flag operation. The problem there is we are harvesting to much honey and the bee's need honey for their immune system and nutrition. Replacing honey with sugar is not providing the bee's what they need. It takes a few years for the weakness of a poor diet to come to full end but it invariably does. They are wasting away due to over-harvesting of honey. The solution there is to simply leave more honey for the bees more frequently.


Now then, back to GMO food. Corn is GMO since shortly after the landing of the Mayflower. The Settlers grew strains of the corn to increase the bounty, the taste, improve the coloration, and to use less resources. Even before our scientific methods of the recent times we were always using seed from the best stock. This is true in plants and animals.

In Animals we do indeed do the same. The best bull, the best Stallion, the best Ram will be used to impregnate whole herds (or other semantic equivalent term) for increasing the quality of the stock. Dog breeding is an extreme example of this in practice.

The methods of these genetic modifications are more enhanced, more selective, but essentially are just fast forwarded versions of the old tried and true of selective use of seeds and animals.


Look there is a segment of the left that wish to reduce the human population. They want to ruin our power supplies, they want to stop our growth on land, they want to stop us from using water, cheap and effective medicines, they killed off effective pesticides, and they want to hurt our most effective food crops. They want to kill off a huge portion of our population and they make no bones about hiding the fact that they think we are to numerous and to damaging to 'nature'.

I for one do not wish to eat plants while sleeping on dirt, grunting as I fight off a fever that could have been cured a few years prior. This is what they want for us however and we MUST ACCEPT THIS. Do not fall for their lies, do not perpetuate their lies, fight this lie like you fight their other lies (AGW for example).

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I'd post links to studies, but you made it clear you're not capable of reading or comprehending academic or scientific work the last time the topic was raised.

Einstein wrote:

The methods of these genetic modifications are more enhanced, more selective, but essentially are just fast forwarded versions of the old tried and true of selective use of seeds and animals.

Maybe you should accept that you don't know what you're talking about and stop lying.

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name a hundred million who died from GMOs. Name 10 million who died from GMOs. Name 1 million who died from GMOs


Surprise you got lured into a leftist fear-mongering tactic. Just like they tell elders we will take their medicare away, tell students we want people to die (for lack of medical care), just like they tell tell us Global Warming, how they try to push Agenda 21.

You became a puppet.

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Your inability to read and process information is not evidence that big corporations care about you and want you to live a better life.

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no it is called math, a foreign language for you.

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GMO chicken has caused women to develop bigger breasts, so I could care less if it kills both of you - GMO gets a +1 from me.

7 (edited by Key 20-Jan-2014 18:27:54)

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Mister Spock wrote:

Maybe you should accept that you don't know what you're talking about and stop lying.

You know, we discussed that this is your fall back position in ALL your arguements, and it's getting old.  Either make an ARGUEMENT for, or an ARGUEMENT against, explaining your position on the subject matter.

Seriously, that statement i've read in nearly 10 seperate posts so far, where you tell EVERYONE, that they don't know what they are talking about.  Enough is enough.  Make a subjective arguement, debate it, or get lost.

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2013/03 … 77592.html

http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/celia … -Wheat.htm

There's two ideas.  One that corporately made GMO, can be a significant health risk, depending on what modifications are present to the nutritional value of the organism in question. 

The other side of the coin, portrays the continueing hybridization by scientists AND farmers in order to change the original specimens which were bred to serve a growing niche.

Both arguements show that indeed we might be seeing a problem within our own food chain, caused by either genetic alterations in a lab, or breeding techniques.  One can be considered all natural, one could be seen as problematic.  What both will only agree on, is the worlds populace can't be fed with the original stock which takes longer to grow, and more of it, to feed a growing yearly population.

My arguement is call up those countries that have been collecting seeds and placing them in vaults and get some of that original wheat growing so we can make better studies of the problem.  If we lose some value in the nutrition of GMO's or altered varieties, then we're losing something we need, in which case we need to fall back on the original template.

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8 (edited by V. Kemp 20-Jan-2014 22:13:49)

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Einstein wrote:

no it is called math, a foreign language for you.

You want millions of people harmed by GMOs as evidence? How are our cancer and organ failure rates? Start looking at the diets of those people. 25% of deaths in the USA are from cancer, and that's only because we have so many unhealthy people who ruin their hearts and livers and brains before cancer has a chance to take them.

The notion that you understand math, science, research, or statistics is ridiculous. You didn't read the last study I linked on the topic; you rambled about problems that the study might have with its methodology (none of which it did). I've linked evidence, you've failed to refute it or respond to it in any way. Academic/scientific research is math. I've cited it. You haven't. You're spamming.

Key wrote:

What both will only agree on, is the worlds populace can't be fed with the original stock which takes longer to grow, and more of it, to feed a growing yearly population.

Complete nonsense. And this is why I'm ignoring your spam.

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Global warming is killing all the polar bears so there should be a fish surplus.  Lions and tigers are endangered species so there should be plenty of antelope.  The earth has a finite amount of space so the only way to ensure there will always be enough food is to make sure there is population control.  This control will most likely happen when food nears running out - then there will be a war and poof!  Just like that there will be less people and food won't be an issue.

Its like the lion king (but with nukes) - circle of life.

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If people stop being so stupid and irresponsible they have children they can't feed, we can avoid that problem long before any possible wars over food.

The fact is that there's a lot of undeveloped land in this world, not being used for housing or farming or anything else. I'll be the first to advocate preserving a whole lot of that land in its natural state, but the notion that the earth will soon be unable to support its population is plain wrong.

I really hate reading some half-cocked idea with no basis in reality being thrown around in public because some fool heard it once and it sounded compelling. You can't respect people who don't respect themselves.

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Aye, and if you buy into global warming then Siberia and Canada will provide millions of acres for food.

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1) The cancer rate goes up as heart disease goes down. Lifespans are increasing. One gives to the other.

2) The other things do not match up, there is no across the board similar affects upon the billions of people eating. Yes BILLIONS

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Nobody is going to bother posting links to evidence, as you've made it clear you're either unable or unwilling to even read the evidence they provide.

I already addressed your #1 but it seems to have gone over your head.

You've conceded this entire debate by refusing to participate in it.

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The Bt toxin used in GMO corn, for example, was recently detected in the blood of pregnant women and their babies, with possibly harmful consequences.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176863/tw … hy-wont-us

No worries! It's just poison in our bodies. A hundred million haven't dropped dead as a proven result, so let's keep it up and contaminate all the corn on the planet. It's just women and children.

A second objection concerns genetic contamination. A GMO crop, once released in the open, reproduces via pollination and interacts genetically with natural varieties of the same crop, producing what is called genetic contamination. According to a study published in Nature, one of the world’s leading scientific journals, Bt corn has contaminated indigenous varieties of corn tested in Oaxaca, Mexico."

It's nothing to be concerned with! BT is good for men, women, and their children! The fact that this stuff spreads like a plague is no big deal! The earth wasn't good enough before; we're just making it better with new poisons in our food supply!

Third, a GMO, brought into natural surroundings, may have a toxic or lethal impact on other living things. Thus, it was found that Bt corn destroyed the larvae of the monarch butterfly, raising well grounded fears that many other natural plant and animal life may be impacted in the same way.

Naw, Einstein says it's okay! Ignore all evidence of harm! Einstein said it's okay!

He admittedly hasn't read a single study on the matter, but we can trust in his faith.

Fourth, the benefits of GMOs have been oversold by the companies, like Monsanto and Syngenta, that peddle them. Most genetically engineered crops are either engineered to produce their own pesticide in the form of Bacillus thurengiensis (Bt) or are designed to be resistant to herbicides, so that herbicides can be sprayed in massive quantities to kill pests without harming the crops. It has been shown, however, that insects are fast developing resistance to Bt as well as to herbicides, resulting in even more massive infestation by the new superbugs. No substantial evidence exists that GM crops yield more than conventional crops. What genetically engineered crops definitely do lead to is greater use of pesticide, which is harmful both to humans and the environment.

Nobody read the above! Avert your eyes! Einstein says they're good!

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller … ing-study/

That the study claiming Bt toxin is hazardous is a sad fraud. You are sheep.

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16 (edited by V. Kemp 21-Jan-2014 10:01:18)

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Thanks for linking propaganda.

First, its font size suggests it's for senile people well into the degeneration of their bodies--something they surely don't want to accept responsibility for, motivating a comforting theme in the article that poisoning themselves was tooootally not their fault!

Second, it starts off with false statements regarding "decades of research and extensive worldwide use of genetically engineered crops."

They're banned in 26 countries and highly regulated in 6 more. They're barely "decades" old to have that much testing. And almost all studies done in the US regarding GMO crops are funded by bio-engineering firms or other companies closely associated with them (and their financial success).

Third, and perhaps most importantly, that juvenile Forbes story you linked doesn't even mention BT. I'm sorry about the trouble you're having reading.

Good job responding to none of the other points, in this thread or the previous one. You wouldn't want us to think you were well researched and skeptical before professing your faith in Big Government and Big Business.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-st … lian-blood

Dr. Mezzomo and his team from the Department of Genetics and Morphology at the Institute of Biological Sciences, University of Brasilia recently performed and published a study done involving testing Bacillus thuringensis toxin (Bt toxin) on Swiss albino mice. This toxin is the same one built into Monsanto's GMO Bt crops such as corn and soy as a biopesticide.

While Bt toxin has been used quite safely in conventional and organic farming as an occasional spray used when dealing with a pest problem, now it has been engineered to be produced by and present throughout the inside of every cell and intercellular space of the plants themselves, which is why they chose to undertake the study.

It should also be noted that as bacteria use lateral transference of genetic material, making it a possibility for this genetic material to become part of the human body's bacterial bouquet that we depend on for our health (our bodies contain more bacteria cells than human ones by number).

The scientists already knew that Bt toxin was very toxic and potentially deadly at levels above 270 milligrams per kilogram (basically ppm), so they instead tested levels ranging from 27mg/kg, 136mg/kg, and 270mg/kg for one to seven days (each of the Cry toxins were separated out and tested individually to maximize accuracy and total info). It was quite clear right off the bat that these Cry toxins were quite hemotoxic even at the lowest level of 27mg/kg administered only one time and one day as they clearly had damaged the blood, particularly in reference to red blood cells. The quantity and size of the erythrocytes (RBCs) were both significantly reduced, as was the overall levels of hemoglobin for which oxygen to attach to.

All major factors regarding RBCs demonstrated some level of damage present for all levels of toxin administered and across all Cry proteins, although there were some clear variances present between different proteins and levels for certain factors. The white blood cell count was also quite noticeably raised, and as expected it dramatically increased depending on the duration the subject was tested for. 

The tests clearly demonstrated that Cry proteins were cytotoxic to bone marrow cells, accounting for a portion of the measured effects. It should also be noted that a previous study found that these proteins caused hemolysis (they killed blood cells) in vitro, particularly seeming to target the cell membranes of red blood cells.

Oh dear Sweet Jesus, substances known to be toxic are toxic!!!! SHOCKING REVELATION!

You can link all juvenile news stories with references to bio-engineering company studies you want arguing that, since there wasn't THAT much of the poisons present, it's toooootally safe, like seriously, we swear. That doesn't make it good science. And that doesn't make your position based on anything but faith.

It's a fact that poisons are harmful. It's a fact that they're in a lot of these plants. And it's a fact that these plants, once let loose, interbreed with the native and natural species and contaminate them.

It's also a fact that the genetic manipulations man is doing here are not possible with crop selection. You lied. So, back to ignoring you.

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wow dismissing something for their font. You have truly sunk to a new low.

The fact it talks about the Bt experiment and shows how it was deliberately frauded, while not specifically saying Bt... means nothing to a puppet like you.

Btw oxygen is toxic, carbon is toxic, everything is toxic. I hate having to intrude upon the favored territory of Yellipoo but I have to school you. EVERYTHING IS TOXIC

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I didn't dismiss it based on the font. That's why so much text followed that humorous, albeit perhaps a bit truthful, bit.

It doesn't talk about "the BT experiment." In fact, there is no such thing as "the Bt experiment." You're rambling about nothing.

I'm not interested in equivocating over language. "[P]otentially deadly at levels above 270 milligrams per kilogram" is very "toxic" compared to oxygen. Of course the human body isn't used to breathing in 100% oxygen.

I was obviously referring to relatively high levels of toxicity compared to absolutely no toxicity when a toxin is not present. ie, The toxins present in many GMOs are more harmful than the lack of them. I'm not seeing you present an argument otherwise. I'm just seeing a lot of spam to avoid addressing what I've actually posted.

The fact that carbon dioxide is toxic to mammals in high enough concentrations is not somehow an argument that cyanide is not toxic, or that "toxic" doesn't mean anything.

You're just desperately making false claims because the truth is, we know these plants produce things which are harmful. It's a fact.

I'm done with my community service for the week. Nobody else is going to take the time to correct someone who doesn't know the difference between genetic engineering and crop selection.

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A formal study of 3 generations of rats found no evidence of any harm what-so-ever.

None, nil, nada.

Keep being a slave to socialists.

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Retracted studies of Bt Corn claims


Yes the publisher retracted after they found that the study was 'inconclusive'.

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Six French Universities dismiss the study of Bt Corn as fundamentally flawed.

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Cross Pollination fears of Bt Corn not founded in science

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Other bad study mocked 'why are we not dropping like flies?'.

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Continue being a courier of the message of the hard left Kemp, your inability to actually discern science is your error.

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Kemp got a burr up his ass, or does he refute everything known to man?

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