Topic: Yell's Outrageous Amnesty Plan

Total full immediate citizenship.

All you have to do is give DNA, and a fingerprint, and a photo ID, and we file that with the Mexican government along with your notarized declaration that you renounce all ties to Mexico for yourself and all your descendants.

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2 (edited by V. Kemp 18-Jan-2014 02:40:48)

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Fascists support amnesty is because it means more voters with no knowledge of America's founding principles rooted in individual freedom.

They achieve this by encouraging illegals to enter the US and giving them services with tax dollars. They want illegal immigrants to view the US government as their friends--they must be; they give illegals handouts which don't exist in their home countries! And they're not even citizens here!

Now, if they can get illegals voting rights, goodbye Mr. Educated American who knows what's so great about our freedoms. Democratic governance means that a majority of fascist babies naive enough to believe communist promises can vote fascists right into power.

Their goal is to run America (and its currency) into the ground and to then buy it up (real assets) at rock-bottom prices.

You seem to think this is some sort of America vs Mexico problem--that if Mexicans would just give up their identity, then it'd be okay. I think you are completely misguided. How much Mexican culture illegals do or do not bring with them, or how willing they would be to give up X amount of that culture for citizenship, is irrelevant.

What matters is why major political powers in this country want more of them and want them voting. Anything that draws attention away from this real threat is a distraction and a disservice to America.

I mean, you want people to have to give DNA, fingerprints, and photo IDs to the US government in order to gain citizenship? Funny, because it's unconstitutional for our government to have that data on citizens. Sounds like you've forgotten the big picture.

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3 (edited by Little Paul 18-Jan-2014 09:25:48)

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It took the western world a long time to become a little democratic with many steps back and forth, we shouldn't expect those people to become democratic overnight.

A solution to your problem would be to deny anyone who hasn't been a citizen from birth a vote.

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Article I, section 7

not illegal

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It's not that they "aren't democratic," it's that they weren't raised and educated to appreciate the freedoms that made America the wealthiest nation on earth.

American voters already have us $50,000 in debt per person, with a Federal Reserve inflated stock market bubble ready to burst. We'll be lucky if we can turn this nation around (toward solvency) already. Illegal immigrant voters who've been getting handouts from our government, viewing it as their friend, and lacking the historical education of how dangerous government is, are not going to help the matter.

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btw Chris I reject your solution, and declare verbal war on you. Here comes my silver bullet of blasting +10 fired from my Rifle of Unerring Accuracy!

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Einstein declaring "verbal war" is like Kim Kardashian writing a logical argument.

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Kemp and his arguing skills is like Miley Cyrus becoming the Pope.

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"It's not that they "aren't democratic," it's that they weren't raised and educated to appreciate the freedoms that made America the wealthiest nation on earth.

American voters already have us $50,000 in debt per person, with a Federal Reserve inflated stock market bubble ready to burst. We'll be lucky if we can turn this nation around (toward solvency) already. Illegal immigrant voters who've been getting handouts from our government, viewing it as their friend, and lacking the historical education of how dangerous government is, are not going to help the matter."
I do agree with that, and it was more or less what I meant, only a poor choice of words. To my defense I have to speak 4 languages regularly and I'm often mixing them up.

10 (edited by The Yell 22-Jan-2014 22:12:40)

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come to America! Our courts order  us to print everything out for you in all 4 languages

Los Angeles County has to print documents in 18 languages

I think California DMV has there stuff in 25 languages

but like my coworker says, "If you can't read English how the hell can you drive in a state with all the road signs in English?"

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Numbers are universal.

Modestus Experitus

Arby: A very strict mod, reminds me of a fat redneck who drives a truck around all day with a beer in one hand. I hated this guy at the start, however, I played a round in PW with him where he went as an anonymous player. Our fam got smashed up and everyone pretty much left. Arby stayed around and helped out the remaining family. At the end of the round he revealed himself.... My views on him have changed since. Your a good guy.....

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not if you go 40 kph in a 40 mph zone

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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-2x-2=+4

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How can you be $50000 in debt per person AND be the wealthiest nation at the same time?
Unless you mean that you have liabilities of $50000 per person BUT have assets per person exceeding that liability.

Anyway the US has less wealth per capita than many countries and a lower GDP per capita than many countries. Some of these countries aren't democracies.

What made America wealthy was abundance of resources, hard-work, rule of law, protection of land, etcetera. Democracy historically was more of a ship that could deliver the necessary conditions. However non-democratic governments now recognise the need for IP protection, land rights, fairness of law and this attracts investment and entrepreneurs -- leading to wealth. Just look at UAE and China.

Oh and numbers aren't universal.. different languages have their own symbols. Though our symbols are generally recognised. Cars in a MPH country usually have MPH on the speedometer; cars in KPH countries have KPH on the speedometer.

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"Some of these countries aren't democracies."
Give an example then. Don't point at countries with over the top resources or countries so small you don't know if you passed the border 2 times in 10 minutes.

China is an example of a sinking ship where most people live in poverty and pollution. But the little freedom they gave brought (poorly divided) wealth. If it became slowly democratic it could really grow, but I doubt it.

There is no example on earth of a non-democractic country growing rich unless they have abundant resources of one kind or another. Even IF you could name one or two, it would still be an exception.

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What is size to do with a model working or not?

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Of course other nations have caught up by a variety of measures. We've been destroying our nation for 100 years this year.

What's amazing is that it's lasted this long.

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Key give me some email

I want to send you my license plate number

so you can just pull over when you see it in the mirror

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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"What is size to do with a model working or not?"
Many small countries live from either tourism, resources or tax evasion so are not representative. If they do not, they usually benefit from something else (lucrative cooperation with a bigger nation.)

Further more it is statistically much more easy to find a small abomination then a large one. There are islands of a few people claiming independence. If you bring the math down to a few people it gets ridiculous.

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The Yell wrote:

Key give me some email

I want to send you my license plate number

so you can just pull over when you see it in the mirror

Stalker! tongue

Wait...I don't have a car...and I don't have a license...you know what!  I don't drive!  Car's are for those that can AFFORD one.  Sorr to say, I can't afford one, so I don't bother.

If you have a car, and you have the money to afford the gasoline, well then you must be better well off than most that can't afford food.

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Little Paul, for thirty years Chinese growth has exceeded India's.
For the past thirty years Singapore has outgrown virtually any country.

These are outliers at both extremes perhaps... or maybe evidence that trade, financial services, property ownership and fair rule of law are what's required -- whether Communist-lite or Democracy-lite.

22 (edited by V. Kemp 27-Jan-2014 21:47:15)

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You think Singapore has "fair rule of law"? Or that China's "growth" numbers mean anything?

Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha. Good stuff.

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23 (edited by Little Paul 28-Jan-2014 16:12:32)

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"Little Paul, for thirty years Chinese growth has exceeded India's.
For the past thirty years Singapore has outgrown virtually any country."
You want to live in any of those? When you go from 1 to 2 it means 100% growth. When you go from 10 to 15 only 50. That is why growth percentages should be interpreted right.

We have seen many econs grow out of nothing, but none of them non-democracies econ lasted very long. My claim still stands, freedom needs to be guaranteed by the system for stability and prosperity in the long run.

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what's unfair about Singapore? If you run through the street assnaked like it's San Francisco with a rainbow flag and a SPANK MY ASS sign....they spank that ass

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
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I have an idea, we trade The Yell for the illegal immigrants. Let him live in Mexico as a Mexican Citizen wink

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