Topic: Obama bans military from celebrating "Christmas"

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I would be pissed beyond any pale if I was told that when I was in. I am pissed beyond any pale now. This is intolerable!

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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And Veterans hospitals as well.

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hell in a handbasket

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That sounds like it's more the fault of the ACLU than Obama. :V  Also, the military trying to be overly PC so as to not piss anyone off.

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The title of this forum post is misleading.  And I remember this edict under the tenure of Bill Clinton when "Political Correctness" was at its height.

Under the Political Correctness edict, all government branches, including the military, were ADVISED and NOT ORDERED to use the phrase Happy Holidays vs. the old tried and true Merry Christmas.  The idea was to be more sensitive to those groups and/or cultures that did not celebrate Christmas.

The Equal Opportunity officer can ADVISE, but they can not ORDER.  They can make a report and send it to a higher branch office, but they do not have that amount of power.  In fact Advise, has never been an order with Equal Opportunity Directors, or EoD's.

Small people vs. Midgets.

Blacks vs. African-American.

Indians vs. Native-Americans.

The Mentally challenged vs. the Mentally Handicapped.

Stupid vs. you moronic piece of crap.

Political Correctness had it's moments back in the 90's, but never held firm on it's traction in order to change peoples vocabulary.

When someone says Happy Holidays to me during the christmas time, I reply "Merry Christmas".  It's not meant as an insult, it's habit.  Since I was five years old, i've used the term Merry Christmas.  I remember the edict when I was in the army between 1990-92', advising the term Happy Holidays, but it was never enforced so we used whatever term we were raised on.  I remember soldiers wishing others Happy Hannaukah.  We knew what the soldiers meant.  It was a time of blessings and cheer, and we held no ill will to anyone.

When you say "Good day."  Everyone knows your being polite.  When someone says Merry Chrismas, they mean it in good cheer.

So when I looked at the TITLE of this thread, I thought sure i'll bite, let's read what it says.  And I'm like....what the hell does the story have anything to do with Obama?  Nothing actually.

But the person that wrote this particular meme of a post should realize that the army Equal Opportunities directors are actually trained by civilian companies that work on "Image" of corporations and business all across the WORLD.  And they attempt to use "Neutral" language in order to decrease the likelihood of hurting someone's feelings.  So this was not a directed order from Obama.  This is advised use of language, which goes against the first Amendmant, and that crap was started before Obama took office, back in the early 1990's.

So from a former army vet such as myself, Merry Christmas Einstein.

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If our government has anything to say to our military regarding the use of a word to describe a religious tradition, our government is too big and our military is doing things it shouldn't be doing.

The PC police are going stronger than ever, Key. It's an instrument of control. Say something not PC and government sets their payed-for media and other various activist hounds (these hounds owned by the same people who own government officials) on you.

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Seriously, Mister Spock, I would have never have thought you were a conspiracy theory nut, but here you are, proving me wrong.

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It's only a conspiracy if its not 100% factual.

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ONe last thing, you will probably find something like this in all western countries, or any place where Flint level stupidity or Kemp level paranoia are not normal.

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Obama is the commander in chief, he is ultimately responsible.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Lol, that's a too easy cop out answer Einstein, If that's how you tea-baggers do things then I hope you guys stay as far away from the Whitehouse as possible.

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Look if it was one event, then the officer, if it was two then theb maybe an over zealous commander, but multiple segments and many examples means Obama.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Einstein wrote:

Obama is the commander in chief, he is ultimately responsible.

Well Einstein, your ultimately responsible for your community, when you don't go out actually stop crime.  So in that argument, that's your fault.

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I FIGURED IT OUT!!! Flint is that crazyass dic-o-doom guy from youtube!  lulz! My friends over at the lordkat.com used to make fun of that idiot all the time. hahahahaha

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Key wrote:
Einstein wrote:

Obama is the commander in chief, he is ultimately responsible.

Well Einstein, your ultimately responsible for your community, when you don't go out actually stop crime.  So in that argument, that's your fault.

Yeah there is no excuse not to form 2nd Amendment militias in places like Chicago

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You_Fool wrote:

ONe last thing, you will probably find something like this in all western countries, or any place where Flint level stupidity or Kemp level paranoia are not normal.

Some day we're going to build a time machine and give the Kaiser the atomic bomb

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17 (edited by V. Kemp 28-Dec-2013 12:40:09)

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twistedpuppet, it is my contention that most of the American people are sheep being herded like livestock by international banks seeking to enslave us all (modern day usage of the term "enslave," try to stretch your mind a little) with massive debt we can never repay. They collect interest because of the idiotic actions of generations past and we're all stuck paying because of things our parents and grandparents did. Free money to them. Loss of freedom and opportunity for us.

That is why my simple point, as stated in this thread, is that our military ought not have anything to say regarding religion. Its job does not require it to have a position on the matter. And, if it does, it is my position that the military is being used for political purposes and we're all losing valuable tax dollars in this endeavor.

I'm not sure how your calling me names while addressing nothing I've said does anything but provide evidence in support of this contention. Because all I'm hearing is "bahhh! bahhh! bahhhhhhh!"

You_Fool, the notion that politically correct language isn't frequently taken to a ridiculous extreme is ridiculous on its face. Trying to score personal points or validate some psychological need to trash talk someone anonymously online hardly provides argument to the contrary.

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How exactly is national debt related to "we advise you not to use Christmas in your greetings because it might offend non Christians"? 

Also, if you don't think the military should be religious, then why are you spouting conspiracy theory crap about advisers advising military people not to say Christmas in greetings? 

Make up your damn mind.

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It is a Federal Holiday, it specifically says "Christmas" therefore they should not be advising at all.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Einstein wrote:

It is a Federal Holiday, it specifically says "Christmas" therefore they should not be advising at all.


That's the way it's always been. Get over it. Military personnel do not get to be religious while in the military. They don't get to have political opinions. They sign away all of that when they sign the contract to join up.

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My point was that taxpayers shouldn't pay for any such thing as an "equal opportunity officer," let alone any such thing as the "Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute." Taxpayers should pay for soldiers to be trained and equipped as well as possible.

And taxpayers should vote for candidates who send soldiers to only as few and as morally just military engagements as possible.

All of this is bullshit. The military should have nothing to say about Christmas or any religions' holidays. If any branches of the military are sending out holiday cards and the contents of those cards are being directed by Obama administration officials (or agencies they've hired) we're already several levels way too deep in political bullshit. That's not the army's job. That's not the army's purpose.

That said, most military personnel are Christians. Military Christmas cards or whatever are not necessarily offensive. Maybe they're not very inclusive. That's a perfectly legitimate conversation to have. I'd be interested to read about the dialogue between Christian officials and non-Christian service members and their families who disagree with "Christmas" card publicans and not publications for service members of other denominations. Or spending time/money on this crap to begin with. By my calling it "crap", I'm already suggested I'm predisposed to agree with the non-Christrians who aren't interested in receiving Christmas cards from the army and aren't happy that they're paying taxes to finance this waste.

But that's not what we have here. What we have here is taxpayers paying for bureaucrats telling military personnel "you can't say the word Christmas." That's just stupid. It's a waste of money. It's offensive to everyone's intelligence. And it's a distraction from bigger national issues.

If some military official is demanding that service members celebrate/acknowledge "Christmas," that's a story. If someone objects to the amount of money spent on "Christmas" expenditures for the military when not everyone in the military is Christian, that's a story. But some hired bullshit firm telling military personnel not to use the word "Christmas"? That's a waste of money. Anyone in the military who needs the advice of a PR/marketing firm in carrying out their duties is inept and should be fired immediately.

This whole story should read "WARNING: Idiots running things, wasting our money. WHY aren't these people ALL FIRED?!"

Any other headline misses the point.

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22 (edited by Gwynedd 30-Dec-2013 00:17:01)

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Taxpayers pay to let soldiers sit on their asses and not remember how to use a computer so they can reset their own [woops] email passwords and to not follow directions.

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"That's the way it's always been. Get over it. Military personnel do not get to be religious while in the military. They don't get to have political opinions. They sign away all of that when they sign the contract to join up."

"always" meaning "since the Clinton Administration"

Many conflicting and some untrue stories have been printed about General George S. Patton and the Third Army Prayer. Some have had the tinge of blasphemy and disrespect for the Deity. Even in "War As I Knew It" by General Patton, the footnote on the Prayer by Colonel Paul D. Harkins, Patton's Deputy Chief of Staff, while containing the elements of a funny story about the General and his Chaplain, is not the true account of the prayer Incident or its sequence.

As the Chief Chaplain of the Third Army throughout the five campaigns on the Staff of General Patton, I should have some knowledge of the event because at the direction of General Patton I composed the now world famous Prayer, and wrote Training Letter No. 5, which constitutes an integral, but untold part, of the prayer story. These Incidents, narrated in sequence, should serve to enhance the memory of the man himself, and cause him to be enshrined by generations to come as one of the greatest of our soldiers. He had all the traits of military leadership, fortified by genuine trust in God, intense love of country, and high faith In the American soldier.

He had no use for half-measures. He wrote this line a few days before his death: "Anyone in any walk of life who is content with mediocrity is untrue to himself and to American tradition." He was true to the principles of his religion, Episcopalian, and was regular in Church attendance and practices, unless duty made his presence Impossible.

The incident of the now famous Patton Prayer commenced with a telephone call to the Third Army Chaplain on the morning of December 8, 1944, when the Third Army Headquarters were located in the Caserne Molifor in Nancy, France: "This is General Patton; do you have a good prayer for weather? We must do something about those rains if we are to win the war." My reply was that I know where to look for such a prayer, that I would locate, and report within the hour. As I hung up the telephone receiver, about eleven in the morning, I looked out on the steadily falling rain, "immoderate" I would call it -- the same rain that had plagued Patton's Army throughout the Moselle and Saar Campaigns from September until now, December 8. The few prayer books at hand contained no formal prayer on weather that might prove acceptable to the Army Commander. Keeping his immediate objective in mind, I typed an original and an improved copy on a 5" x 3" filing card:

Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations.

I pondered the question, What use would General Patton make of the prayer? Surely not for private devotion. If he intended it for circulation to chaplains or others, with Christmas not far removed, it might he proper to type the Army Commander's Christmas Greetings on the reverse side. This would please the recipient, and anything that pleased the men I knew would please him:

To each officer and soldier in the Third United States Army, I Wish a Merry Christmas. I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty, and skill in battle. We march in our might to complete victory. May God's blessings rest upon each of you on this Christmas Day. G.S. Patton, Jr, Lieutenant General, Commanding, Third United States Army.

This done, I donned my heavy trench coat, crossed the quadrangle of the old French military barracks, and reported to General Patton. He read the prayer copy, returned it to me with a very casual directive, "Have 250,000 copies printed and see to it that every man in the Third Army gets one." The size of the order amazed me; this was certainly doing something about the weather in a big way. But I said nothing but the usual, "Very well, Sir!" Recovering, I invited his attention to the reverse side containing the Christmas Greeting, with his name and rank typed. "Very good," he said, with a smile of approval. "If the General would sign the card, it would add a personal touch that I am sure the men would like." He took his place at his desk, signed the card, returned it to me and then Said: "Chaplain, sit down for a moment; I want to talk to you about this business of prayer." He rubbed his face in his hands, was silent for a moment, then rose and walked over to the high window, and stood there with his back toward me as he looked out on the falling rain. As usual, he was dressed stunningly, and his six-foot-two powerfully built physique made an unforgettable silhouette against the great window. The General Patton I saw there was the Army Commander to whom the welfare of the men under him was a matter of Personal responsibility . Even in the heat of combat he could take time out to direct new methods to prevent trench feet, to see to it that dry socks went forward daily with the rations to troops on the line, to kneel in the mud administering morphine and caring for a wounded soldier until the ambulance Came. What was coming now?

"Chaplain, how much praying is being done in the Third Army?" was his question. I parried: "Does the General mean by chaplains, or by the men?" "By everybody," he replied. To this I countered: "I am afraid to admit it, but I do not believe that much praying is going on. When there Is fighting, everyone prays, but now with this constant rain -- when things are quiet, dangerously quiet, men just sit and wait for things to happen. Prayer out here is difficult. Both chaplains and men are removed from a special building with a steeple. Prayer to most of them is a formal, ritualized affair, involving special posture and a liturgical setting. I do not believe that much praying is being done."

The General left the window, and again seated himself at his desk, leaned back in his swivel chair, toying with a long lead pencil between his index fingers.

Chaplain, I am a strong believer in Prayer. There are three ways that men get what they want; by planning, by working, and by Praying. Any great military operation takes careful planning, or thinking. Then you must have well-trained troops to carry it out: that's working. But between the plan and the operation there is always an unknown. That unknown spells defeat or victory, success or failure. It is the reaction of the actors to the ordeal when it actually comes. Some people call that getting the breaks; I call it God. God has His part, or margin in everything, That's where prayer comes in. Up to now, in the Third Army, God has been very good to us. We have never retreated; we have suffered no defeats, no famine, no epidemics. This is because a lot of people back home are praying for us. We were lucky in Africa, in Sicily, and in Italy. Simply because people prayed. But we have to pray for ourselves, too. A good soldier is not made merely by making him think and work. There is something in every soldier that goes deeper than thinking or working--it's his "guts." It is something that he has built in there: it is a world of truth and power that is higher than himself. Great living is not all output of thought and work. A man has to have intake as well. I don't know what you it, but I call it Religion, Prayer, or God.

He talked about Gideon in the Bible, said that men should pray no matter where they were, in church or out of it, that if they did not pray, sooner or later they would "crack up." To all this I commented agreement, that one of the major training objectives of my office was to help soldiers recover and make their lives effective in this third realm, prayer. It would do no harm to re-impress this training on chaplains. We had about 486 chaplains in the Third Army at that time, representing 32 denominations. Once the Third Army had become operational, my mode of contact with the chaplains had been chiefly through Training Letters issued from time to time to the Chaplains in the four corps and the 22 to 26 divisions comprising the Third Army. Each treated of a variety of subjects of corrective or training value to a chaplain working with troops in the field. [Patton continued:]

I wish you would put out a Training Letter on this subject of Prayer to all the chaplains; write about nothing else, just the importance of prayer. Let me see it before you send it. We've got to get not only the chaplains but every man in the Third Army to pray. We must ask God to stop these rains. These rains are that margin that hold defeat or victory. If we all pray, it will be like what Dr. Carrel said [the allusion was to a press quote some days previously when Dr. Alexis Carrel, one of the foremost scientists, described prayer "as one of the most powerful forms of energy man can generate"], it will be like plugging in on a current whose source is in Heaven. I believe that prayer completes that circuit. It is power.

With that the General arose from his chair, a sign that the interview was ended. I returned to my field desk, typed Training Letter No. 5 while the "copy" was "hot," touching on some or all of the General's reverie on Prayer, and after staff processing, presented it to General Patton on the next day. The General read it and without change directed that it be circulated not only to the 486 chaplains, but to every organization commander down to and including the regimental level. Three thousand two hundred copies were distributed to every unit in the Third Army over my signature as Third Army Chaplain. Strictly speaking, it was the Army Commander's letter, not mine. Due to the fact that the order came directly from General Patton, distribution was completed on December 11 and 12 in advance of its date line, December 14, 1944. Titled "Training Letter No. 5," with the salutary "Chaplains of the Third Army," the letter continued: "At this stage of the operations I would call upon the chaplains and the men of the Third United States Army to focus their attention on the importance of prayer.

"Our glorious march from the Normandy Beach across France to where we stand, before and beyond the Siegfried Line, with the wreckage of the German Army behind us should convince the most skeptical soldier that God has ridden with our banner. Pestilence and famine have not touched us. We have continued in unity of purpose. We have had no quitters; and our leadership has been masterful. The Third Army has no roster of Retreats. None of Defeats. We have no memory of a lost battle to hand on to our children from this great campaign.

"But we are not stopping at the Siegfried Line. Tough days may be ahead of us before we eat our rations in the Chancellery of the Deutsches Reich.

"As chaplains it is our business to pray. We preach its importance. We urge its practice. But the time is now to intensify our faith in prayer, not alone with ourselves, but with every believing man, Protestant, Catholic, Jew, or Christian in the ranks of the Third United States Army.

"Those who pray do more for the world than those who fight; and if the world goes from bad to worse, it is because there are more battles than prayers. 'Hands lifted up,' said Bosuet, 'smash more battalions than hands that strike.' Gideon of Bible fame was least in his father's house. He came from Israel's smallest tribe. But he was a mighty man of valor. His strength lay not in his military might, but in his recognition of God's proper claims upon his life. He reduced his Army from thirty-two thousand to three hundred men lest the people of Israel would think that their valor had saved them. We have no intention to reduce our vast striking force. But we must urge, instruct, and indoctrinate every fighting man to pray as well as fight. In Gideon's day, and in our own, spiritually alert minorities carry the burdens and bring the victories.

"Urge all of your men to pray, not alone in church, but everywhere. Pray when driving. Pray when fighting. Pray alone. Pray with others. Pray by night and pray by day. Pray for the cessation of immoderate rains, for good weather for Battle. Pray for the defeat of our wicked enemy whose banner is injustice and whose good is oppression. Pray for victory. Pray for our Army, and Pray for Peace.

"We must march together, all out for God. The soldier who 'cracks up' does not need sympathy or comfort as much as he needs strength. We are not trying to make the best of these days. It is our job to make the most of them. Now is not the time to follow God from 'afar off.' This Army needs the assurance and the faith that God is with us. With prayer, we cannot fail.

"Be assured that this message on prayer has the approval, the encouragement, and the enthusiastic support of the Third United States Army Commander.

"With every good wish to each of you for a very Happy Christmas, and my personal congratulations for your splendid and courageous work since landing on the beach, I am," etc., etc., signed The Third Army Commander.

The timing of the Prayer story is important: let us rearrange the dates: the "Prayer Conference" with General Patton was 8 December; the 664th Engineer Topographical Company, at the order of Colonel David H. Tulley, C.E., Assistant to the Third Army Engineer, working night and day reproduced 250,000 copies of the Prayer Card; the Adjutant General, Colonel Robert S. Cummings, supervised the distribution of both the Prayer Cards and Training Letter No. 5 to reach the troops by December 12-14. The breakthrough was on December 16 in the First Army Zone when the Germans crept out of the Schnee Eifel Forest in the midst of heavy rains, thick fogs, and swirling ground mists that muffled sound, blotted out the sun, and reduced visibility to a few yards. The few divisions on the Luxembourg frontier were surprised and brushed aside. They found it hard to fight an enemy they could neither see nor hear. For three days it looked to the jubilant Nazis as if their desperate gamble would succeed. They had achieved compete surprise. Their Sixth Panzer Army, rejuvenated in secret after its debacle in France, seared through the Ardennes like a hot knife through butter. The First Army's VIII Corps was holding this area with three infantry divisions (one of them new and in the line only a few days) thinly disposed over an 88-mile front and with one armored division far to the rear, in reserve. The VIII Corps had been in the sector for months. It was considered a semi-rest area and outside of a little patrolling was wholly an inactive position.

When the blow struck the VIII Corps fought with imperishable heroism. The Germans were slowed down but the Corps was too shattered to stop them with its remnants. Meanwhile, to the north, the Fifth Panzer Army was slugging through another powerful prong along the vulnerable boundary between the VIII and VI Corps. Had the bad weather continued there is no telling how far the Germans might have advanced. On the 19th of December, the Third Army turned from East to North to meet the attack. As General Patton rushed his divisions north from the Saar Valley to the relief of the beleaguered Bastogne, the prayer was answered. On December 20, to the consternation of the Germans and the delight of the American forecasters who were equally surprised at the turn-about-the rains and the fogs ceased. For the better part of a week came bright clear skies and perfect flying weather. Our planes came over by tens, hundreds, and thousands. They knocked out hundreds of tanks, killed thousands of enemy troops in the Bastogne salient, and harried the enemy as he valiantly tried to bring up reinforcements. The 101st Airborne, with the 4th, 9th, and 10th Armored Divisions, which saved Bastogne, and other divisions which assisted so valiantly in driving the Germans home, will testify to the great support rendered by our air forces. General Patton prayed for fair weather for Battle. He got it.

It was late in January of 1945 when I saw the Army Commander again. This was in the city of Luxembourg. He stood directly in front of me, smiled: "Well, Padre, our prayers worked. I knew they would." Then he cracked me on the side of my steel helmet with his riding crop. That was his way of saying, "Well done."

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24 (edited by Key 31-Dec-2013 00:01:33)

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Doesn't always work like that.

I remember receiving an order from one of my Drill Sergeants when my Dog Tags were being made.  We had to make our own strike  plate, which means Name, Social Security, blood type, and "Religious preferance".  I remember the Drill sergeant said it had to be a real religion, and that No-religious-preferance was unacceptable to him and his platoon.  I do remember the Sergeant in charge of the area where dog tags were made, ordered the Drill Sergeant out of the room, and then received further instructions.

"If you believe in god, and it is a listed denomination that is widely accepted by the United States government, then you are to use that religious title on your dog tags.  However, if you are athiest, agnostic, or do not believe in god or a higher being, you are to put No-Religious-Preferance, since that is a belief, and not faith."

My dog tags, I have carried with me, since 1990.  They are in my pocket right now, and connected to my key chain.  It states No-Religious-Preferance.  When I joined the army, I was an athiest.  Now, i'm agnostic.  Still it was FROWNED on, that any leader would attempt to force religion on any man that did not have faith in the almighty.

One of the statutes of the JAG, within the military is that no man may be discriminated against, or forced participation of religious ideals, beliefs, or settinngs.

Although come sunday, every man that chose a religious preferance was forced marched to the appropriate chappels on sunday.  You didn't get a choice in that matter.  There were very few No-religious-preferance people, and were given assigned tasks on sunday to complete, which I didn't mind in the least.

I did not fear scorn from my fellow soldiers for my choice.

I did not fear my drill sergeant, who attempted the unthinkable, by using inimidation to make me choose a religion.

I sure as hell did not fear the retribution of god.

And if I remember history correctly for World War II, we won by sheer numbers.  We lost 1 man, we sent in 10 more.  We lost 10 men, we sent in 100 more.  The greater the resistance, the greater numbers we just kept pushing into the gaps.  Some people will say god was on our side, even when history shows that both sides had believed in god, and that government propoganda attempted to say otherwise.  One side loses, because that side didn't pray hard enough?  That to me is garbage.  Sheer numbers won the day.  How many men died on Omaha Beach?  How many men were still in reserve boats, ready to hit the beach, in case the first wave failed?  That wasn't god on that beach.  That was men fighting and dieing on that beach.  And both were praying for victory and a chance at further life.

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Read the stories of Iwo Jima, where soldiers talked how they had no wounds but dozens of holes in their uniforms.

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