There is 783,000 Volunteer firefighters who are now in danger of being told "we cannot afford you even though you are free"

The reason is because the IRS see's them as employees. Since the Obamacare set up makes any with 50 or more employees needing to pay a fine this means any who would pass this bar would need to limit it... This is a volunteer organization due to inability to cover the costs of a paid fire fighting team.

People will die from fire thanks to Obamacare.

seems Obama has lit a fire under the nation to get rid of Obamacare.

Insurance payments is only 5-15% for enrollee's so far.

This is beyond unsustainable.  Sebelius is not revealing national numbers but most of the States that are forced to talk about it, and the insurance companies that are revealing this info are showing a worse than worst case situation

800,000 additional people have ended up on Medicare/Medicaid and this is actually going to threaten some States (who signed up for the expansion) with Bankruptcy

If you promised you could bring about world peace, do you think I would take it seriously?  Promises from any politician is like salt.  Keeps you going, but the taste is always bitter in the end.

Well the government did sell the rest of the stake in GM, and GM has posted $20-$26 billion dollars in liquidity, and 15 straight quarters of growth.  In fact the companies hurting more are the foreign car companies based in the U.S. which have decided to pull back or pull out.  We said, "Buy american."  And we did, and it shows in the numbers and profits of those car companies that were bailed out.

Healthcare?  Has to start somewhere.  An intigrated network probably should have been layed down on the federal side before the law went into effect.  In that regards, I will say, it would have been better to have layed a concrete foundation, before attempting to slap a door on a building with no walls or base.  Come on in they said, and it was, a empty room, with lots of cold rusty filing cabinets.

Yes.  Only.   Compared to the number of jobs which would have been estimated into the hundreds of thousands, directly related to the field of vehicles.

Car manufacturer employees would have been layed off, which means they would have had to go on UNEMPLOYMENT.  With no extra income, that means less spending overall, which would have directly impacted local businesses.  Those local businesses would be forced to cut back on hours/days or possible closure, which means loss of revenue, puting more people out of jobs.  Those businesses also carried products and goods, which means those businesses would no longer be ordering goods.  That means a slow down in production in other businesses unrelated to the production of cars, and hence a draw down of hours/days on employees, or employee layoffs.

The car makers, if shutdown, would directly effect a webbed string of products and services.  Car manufacturing, replacement parts for those vehicles produced, immediate forfeture of recalled vehicle products, local groceries, restaurants, clothing stores.   Which means less sales on those business fronts, would have caused a chain reaction.

When the housing bubble burst same thing happened.  Now, if it happened to the Vehicle Infrastructure, what would have happened?  Partial economic collapse of the heavy and light vehicle manufacturing.  We're not talking about cars and 4x4 trucks, we're talking semi-trucks, gas stations, oil companies, bed and breakfasts, hotels, camp grounds....holiday travel.

$10 Billion is a small lump of change compared to the Trillions of dollars that add up.  Each business today is nearly intertwined with other business'. 

That guy on the car assembly line, he pays rent/mortgage on the house.  He loses his job, he gets unemployment for six months.  After six months if he's still out of work, he's going to have to dig deep down and figure what he's going to do about something besides building cars.  But that's just one guy.

Take 10,000 guys.  You got, mortgage/house payments, electricity, water, garbage, phone, food, dental, health, long term disability, school/college.  That exponentially increases per non-working member within the family...that's less dining out, less toys purchased, less clothes purchased, less DVD's collected.  This doesn't include home upkeep.  Nancy needing braces, Charlie broke his leg, the refrigerator broke down.

Pretty soon it comes down to what is needed, and what you can live without.  It's what you can live without which directly impacts whole sectors of the economy.  And it adds up.  No more dining out, means less profit for the restaurant, whose only ability to stay in business is to cut costs.  Namely, the hours/days that the employees work, or the employee themselves.  LAYOFF!  Now you got the car manufacturers, and the waitresses out of a job.  The waitress was paying for some of her college tuition, but now can no longer pay that tuition.  Sorry but now your in arrears in payments PLUS interest...now you have less students in the classroom, why are we paying that professor who has no students to teach?...Hey since we no longer need that professor, we can stop purchasing books for that class...Ohno...the publishers and bookbinders now are out of profit, cut back, layoffs....each one...threads into another area of business.

$10 billion, is chump change.   

Pick up a penny and double it.  You got two pennies, double it again, y ou got 4, keep doubling it....pretty soon you got $10 billion dollars, and the IRS all over your ass, but where it stops nobody would have known...IF the bailout hadn't been used.

Unfortunately, due to our Capitalistic economy, we have to stay connected.  And in those connections we are all interconnected bussiness wise.  We have to think about the short term losses, in order to make long term gains.

Oregon, the State which took the 3rd highest amount of Obamacare funds to set up their own exchange... has not yet gotten a working website.

It enrolled *drum roll* 44 people.

Yes Governor Kitzhaber is that bad of an epic fail.

And Obamacare has been "delayed" a full month by executive 'fiat'. Must be nice to be a dictator.

And Key... when Oregon reveals higher numbers, then we can debate that. For now the formal numbers are 44.

We do not know if the rest were medicare, duplicates, incorrectly typed, or anything.

The recent delay by Obama shows this is a bad idea, badly managed by government (epic fail level) which would be best left to businesses who have to earn peoples business instead of a Government who can force people to participate.

There will be less insured on December 31st than there was before Obamacare

So four personal family lessons for you all.

1) My grandma had a stroke, fortunately no permanent damages but her costs increased due to Obama. This despite being on Medicare, her costs have gone up due to local doctors dropping from the system. Thus travel costs and more have become an issue.

2) My sister disclosed to me she has a rare heart condition called Paroxysmal Supraventricular Tachycardia or a version of PSVT... Essentially instead of 2 nerves controlling the normal beating of her heart she has 3 nerves. This is bad and she will need surgery to fix it. Meanwhile she is on a heart monitor 24/7. Her husband works but she is an at home mother of 4 children. His insurance does cover her, but the Premium tripled and the Deductible rose to $7000. This and other pay requirements means she might be out of pocket more than $10,000 for this surgery.

3) My adopted brother needs braces. This was determined last summer. The braces would have been covered in 2012 but 2013 the insurance company and company her ex-husband works at had to redo the contract. This was done with accounting for Obamacare. Now there is a large deductible for this sort of care. So now my mom has to split half a cost that would not have been there prior to Obamacare.

4) I was looking at Catastrophic Insurance as a possible means to cover myself. Then Obamacare made it essentially illegal. Now it is cheaper for me to have a heart attack and pay it out of pocket than to have insurance, pay the premium, then still pay the entire cost out of pocket.

There is no advantages with Obamacare, only downsides. This will be proven more and more as the DELAYS by Obama finally end. He is trying to push it past the next election cycle but eventually he cannot delay anymore, and that is when Democrats lose big.

ROFL

Obama allows plans with next to nothing in a sudden last minute move

So much for 'those plans were substandard'. ROFLCOPTER! He has completely folded and now we are spending billions for actual worse healthcare that is more expensive! Way to go Mr. President!

When someone tells a man that his insurance company has been ripping him off by not forcing him to buy maternity care, that man is in the Twilight Zone.

Oregon in disaster and the chief tech has resigned. There are only 740 applicants who signed up for insurance.