when I wake up. Just doing the easy posts, imma eat the people here later X(

What I liked was that Einstien ignores the other religions because practical cases are in the past, whilst the case this judge referred to was also in the past, but somehow means the preseant!

Mohammed walks among us!

i/we are still waiting einstien

"not quite, wfs, because islam goes off more than just the quran, so, no, you can't go by sola scriptura."

Like?

haditha, fatwas, umma

Well, I was wrong Although, fatwas aren't always compulsory.

Still Flint's claim that Islam is perverted is wrong though..

no, haddith covers every action of mohammed, both words and deeds, passed on orally at first. it is used to determine the sunnah; the perspective is not what the prophet said, but what first hand witnesses say they saw if you catch my draft

"and what the prophet said was almost all the time recorded into The Quran, and The Quran has no such rule or law concerning young marriage"

You'd get yourself deported for saying that in half the Arab world

If you published it, you'd get a visit from the Secret Service

if you were in violation for anything they'd throw the book at you

but not just because of that.

besides illegal aliens wuv Bush

because he doesn't want them to leave and doesn't try very hard to make them go

East, I agree it's despicable, but I do think time and context is something you should consider. Muhammad may have married a 9 year old girl, but it most likely was out of political reasons (most of his wives were). Muhammad needed clan-support, and the best way to do so is by giving them loot and/or a marriage (a similar tactic was used in the west by vikings etc as well). Also, a marriage, defenatly with a political marriage, doesn't automaticly mean sex.

Could you give a piece of text with that in it? I'd like to send that to an islamic friend who studies history as well. It's not that I don't believe you, but I'd like more info about it.

I'd like to emphasize that this case shouldn't be generalised over the whole of islam though. Most islamic people would be disgusted by it. When you strip the situation of every moral value, not much different from banning women as priests cause Jesus didn't have a female apostle. It's merely an extrapolation of a 'religious' text to a social context..

For me, it only proves that Muhammad (like all other prophets) had personal errors as well, and that his person isn't to be considered holy. His message, like all the other prophets' before and after him, is merely an inspiration for personal values, at best..