Topic: Global Cooling to start says German Scientists

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/05/repor … l-cooling/

Yes that sounds like the scientists I follow.

But keep buying shorts, bikinis, and trying to install solar panels as your only source of electricity, just do not force it on me so when you come calling I can charge you a nasty rate for all the harm you did with your eco-lies

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That explains this SNOW that occurred last night along the Oregon coast!  BY GOD! Those germans were right!

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"But keep buying shorts, bikinis, and trying to install solar panels as your only source of electricity, just do not force it on me so when you come calling I can charge you a nasty rate for all the harm you did with your eco-lies"
Funny, cause if the planet cools down, in many areas solar panels might become effective after all if they progress further. There are less clouds and a clearer air. I doubt it would be any time soon tough. For now it is only interesting when you want a little bit of power in a desolate spot or in space.

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Little Paul wrote:

"But keep buying shorts, bikinis, and trying to install solar panels as your only source of electricity, just do not force it on me so when you come calling I can charge you a nasty rate for all the harm you did with your eco-lies"
Funny, cause if the planet cools down, in many areas solar panels might become effective after all if they progress further. There are less clouds and a clearer air. I doubt it would be any time soon tough. For now it is only interesting when you want a little bit of power in a desolate spot or in space.



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Re: Global Cooling to start says German Scientists

warm dry or wet cold.

Cold means more clouds

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wow,this is soviet style


http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion- … 1615.story

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He says he relies on experts, but he cherry picks his experts.

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"Cold means more clouds"
No, not on average. Warm weather makes more clouds, especially over the oceans. It is actually one of the few things most scientists agree on. On average, most clouds are created during the hottest period of the day.

There is a theory based on this
So if climate gets hotter, more clouds appear. More clouds means more reflection and less warming up. Some scientist claim that IF the earth would warm or cool down, this would counter effect to some extent.

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I will tell you the scientists I follow say if the temperature of Earth goes up then it is hotter and drier. If it goes down then it is colder and wetter.

I have a very high success rate on my scientists, so I will follow their declarations for now.

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10 (edited by Little Paul 09-Dec-2013 13:44:25)

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Mostly climate change believers say that, you confuse me here. Wetter doesn't mean more clouds in any case, those are 2 different things.*

*edit: before many flipfloped to suit their believes. Its hard to keep track.

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"I have a very high success rate on my scientists, so I will follow their declarations for now."
A little honesty "we are not advanced enough to really predict it and there are far to much variables" doesn't seem to suite anybody so is discarded on the spot.

It is not even realistically possible to measure global average temperatures accurately so who is going to prove what? Its ridiculous at best. Almost as ridiculous as climate change predictors themselves.

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ok so a quick run down of the science Little Paul.

The clouds are formed by (in part) contact with Cosmic Radiation. This contact makes our dynamics wet/cold or hot/dry.

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"The clouds are formed by (in part) contact with Cosmic Radiation."
Let us assume that is true for the sake of debate, its still hard to predict its influence let go its effect when temperature raises or drops. Although it is valuable research, You can hardly call this theoretical guessing exact science. No offense intended but its almost like watching gores movie.

Some studies claim cosmic radiation has been high and low in both warm and cool periods. That doesn't necessarily denies its influence but put a max limit to its influence none the less. That is the most significant data I could find.

Truth is we cannot predict the weather next months, why would we be so arrogant to claim for sure climate is gonna warm up or cool down because of a few reasons we don't even fully understand?

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not guessing. No this was proven by a European scientist first then by CRU. As one of the largest established groups of scientists this experiment was done with funds most do not have access to, and conclusively proved that Cosmic Radiation is a significant factor in formation of clouds.

Feel free to look it up. It is not theory, it is fact.

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If the temperature goes up, then that heats the oceans of the world, causing more cloud cover.  This cloud cover usually hangs over the ocean until air currents or the suns own heat pushes that cloud cover from the ocean, more towards inland areas.  This is a meteoroligist fact.

The earth heats, water evaperates, and that creates cloud cover.  When we have rain, and all that water evaperates during heat, that then creates a gaseous cover which lingers close to the ground, and then we have a slight fog bank effect.

Cosmic radiation from our own sun, heats up oceans, which creates clouds.  Have you ever noticed how storms move from the ocean to land mass, and keeps moving inwards?

And a single scientest does not denote fact.  It has to be vetted by the world COMMUNITY of scientists.

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it makes more water in the atmosphere, which is not guaranteed to become clouds.

Please Key stay out of grown up conversations.

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Key wrote:

Cosmic radiation from our own sun, heats up oceans, which creates clouds.  Have you ever noticed how storms move from the ocean to land mass, and keeps moving inwards?

And a single scientest does not denote fact.  It has to be vetted by the world COMMUNITY of scientists.


How cute. Cosmic Radiation mostly is reflected by our Sun, which produces very little. Most of it comes from outside our Solar System.

And a community of scientists from around the World made a structure, made a grand test, and conclusively proved the theory of the original scientist.

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http://drtimball.com/2011/svensmark%E2% … te-change/

My bad, it was CERN, the other big group.

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19 (edited by Key 09-Dec-2013 21:48:31)

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Einstein wrote:

it makes more water in the atmosphere, which is not guaranteed to become clouds.

Please Key stay out of grown up conversations.

You don't know how precipitation works?

Cosmic radiation is COSMIC radiation.  And some of that cosmic radiation is PRODUCED by our own sun.  And yes, some of that cosmic radiation comes from outside our solar system.

But only looking OUTSIDE our solar system for radiation, is STUPID.

There are 11 different factors that effects Communications.  11.  Effects are by nature and man made.  So in regards to precipitation and cloud cover, I can safely say there's more than just 11 different factors that would effect WEATHER PATTERNS!

AND with your post, I don't even know what the hell your argueing about.  Is this a pro- or anti- post on global warming?  I can't tell.  As for CLOUD clover, how much cloud cover is created, IF ANY, depends on cold and heat fronts coming together over an area.

So...what is your post pushing here?  Really?  What are you attempting to push on this subject?  You can't just post crap and go, Hmmmmm this is political.  I don't see the politics as related by cosmic radiation, cold fronts, warming/cooling trends.  The only way I would see this is if this was motivated by pro- or anti- global warming sentiments.

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20 (edited by Key 09-Dec-2013 22:00:25)

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Ok, for starters.  The current cold front is caused by Ice melting up in the northern ice cap, that cold front is pushed down by solar radiation, a part of that solar radiation is cosmic, but NOT all of it.  Solar radiation, from our sun.  Cosmic radiation from outside our solar system.  Do you understand the difference in the two.  Which is the stronger forces currently whipping across our own atmosphere?  Our own bloody sun, so it's solar.

Now even if the snow melts up there, that's a lot of gas which is still cool, even if the ice shelf cracks, and turns into iceburgs, water flow will take those iceburgs southward in the Indian and Pacific oceans, lowering the overall temperature of the water.  THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE ICE SHELF IS REBUILDING ITSELF.  If the ice shelf was rebuilding itself in the northern icecap, THEN you could say that there is a Global cooling effect, which would offset the argument of GLOBAL WARMING.  There's been no SCIENTIFIC agreement or proof of the ice shelf in the north atlantic rebuilding.  What you have is the ice shelf melting, and solar phenomina pushing that cold front south across Europe and northern America.  This does NOT constitute a phase, or shift, in LONG TERM global weather patterns.

Now, NOW, if the trend continues for several YEARS, and the ice pack up north steadily rebuilds, then, THEN we have a proven hypothesis on global cooling trends.

I so want to hit you over the head with a bunson burner right now.  I'm NOT impressed with your scientific machismo, since it clearly shows you don't know squat about proven and unproven long term theories!  We're not talking about a couple of feet of ice and snow, we're talking KILOMETERS of ice pack.

Your scientists in Europe are IDIOTS.

The northern ice pack has to REBUILD in order to prove those eggheads right.  They're only GUESSING, and guessing is not scientific PROOF.

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Key wrote:
Einstein wrote:

it makes more water in the atmosphere, which is not guaranteed to become clouds.

Please Key stay out of grown up conversations.

You don't know how precipitation works?

Cosmic radiation is COSMIC radiation.  And some of that cosmic radiation is PRODUCED by our own sun.  And yes, some of that cosmic radiation comes from outside our solar system.

But only looking OUTSIDE our solar system for radiation, is STUPID.

There are 11 different factors that effects Communications.  11.  Effects are by nature and man made.  So in regards to precipitation and cloud cover, I can safely say there's more than just 11 different factors that would effect WEATHER PATTERNS!

AND with your post, I don't even know what the hell your argueing about.  Is this a pro- or anti- post on global warming?  I can't tell.  As for CLOUD clover, how much cloud cover is created, IF ANY, depends on cold and heat fronts coming together over an area.

So...what is your post pushing here?  Really?  What are you attempting to push on this subject?  You can't just post crap and go, Hmmmmm this is political.  I don't see the politics as related by cosmic radiation, cold fronts, warming/cooling trends.  The only way I would see this is if this was motivated by pro- or anti- global warming sentiments.


ok now I am done with the agitprop. Time to spank you.

Even our relatively tranquil Sun can and does contribute to the cosmic ray flux, although only a little (about 1%) and only at low energies (up to a few hundred GeV). source

Yes 1%. And they are not the standard high energy versions generally. This is why I am saying a 'very little'.

Now the Magnetic Sphere of the sun reflects Cosmic Radiation. This sphere is not fixed in strength, but varies based upon tidal forces within the sun. Also Jupiter actually shields us a bit.


Now that I have spanked you for trying to act intelligent, let me spank you some more!

Clouds formed by CERN. While there is indeed a lot of factors involved, removing this is like removing Oxygen from a humans air.

Key wrote:

Ok, for starters.  The current cold front is caused by Ice melting up in the northern ice cap, that cold front is pushed down by solar radiation, a part of that solar radiation is cosmic, but NOT all of it.  Solar radiation, from our sun.  Cosmic radiation from outside our solar system.  Do you understand the difference in the two.  Which is the stronger forces currently whipping across our own atmosphere?  Our own bloody sun, so it's solar.

At lower GeV it is not a cloud maker, but a heat maker. So yes our sun is pushing heat which is moving cold air down. However the clouds over us dumping snow is also a factor in this. Without those clouds there would be more sun, and more heat in these areas, which means better temps then.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE ICE SHELF IS REBUILDING ITSELF.

Except it is, and with gusto! Yes a 29% increase in size...

So can you quit acting smart yet?

Your scientists in Europe are IDIOTS.

They are making the first FUSION Reactor, first Tokamak Reactor, and Is the European Organization for Nuclear Research is one of the world's largest and most respected centres for scientific research, and is one of the most quoted organizations ever. Large Hadron Collider is theirs, and they found the Higgs Bosun, aka the Gravity Particle. They have a billion Euro budget even. Annually.

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Your talking about the same scientists that tried to prove snail snot cures cancer!

Einstein wrote:

While there is indeed a lot of factors involved, removing this is like removing Oxygen from a humans air.

That's all I needed.  Your understanding that there are indeed a lot of factors involved.  That's all that needs to be said. A lot of different factors.  And your admittance of that. smile

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yet you need to understand... AGW is false

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24 (edited by Key 10-Dec-2013 01:17:15)

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Agitated Giddy Women?

Allison Goddard's World?

Ain't Good Work?

I'm sorry i'm just really bad on anacronyms.  You people throw those around like it's alphabet soup to be wasted or something.

So you say AGW is wrong, because you say so.  oooooooooooooookay.

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Agitprop. Agitprop, and not a smart one

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