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Topic: Libertarians our allies? I think not!

I have a bone to pick with the idea that Libertarians are our allies. At best they are fickle allies and at worst they are our enemy. Even the Libertarians see us at best as something to co-opt for their power and at worst as a blot on the world needing to be wiped out.

We are not Libertarians, they are not us. If a pro-drugs, pro-abortion, anti-war, big-government, communist was running for President/Governor/Representative/Whatever, versus a anti-drugs, pro-life, sometimes you got to fight when your a man, small government, Conservative… It is as likely they will vote for the Democrat as they will the Republican.

They have a very anti-Conservative platform. They have willingly cost us elections by muddling things up and pulling moderates away.

Libertarianism is the belief that regulations, such as the one preventing a semi-truck driver with explosives in his trailer, from driving for 28 hours straight (currently in a residential neighborhood) becuase his boss has a tight tike schedule for the contract, are bad and should be destroyed.

Libertarianism is the belief that wars are the fault of the United States (or ones home nation) and that if we just tried peace no more evil, such as Hitler, woukd exist. Chamberlain was a Libertarian type in this regards…. worked so well for how many hundreds of millions?

libertarianism is the belief that roads will be effectively repaired by interested parties, that bridges will magically spring up to meet needs.

Libertarianism is what the North American Man Boy Love Association preaches, where a 50 year old should be allowed to bugger a 10 year old…. cause it is all about love man!

Libertarianism is about making a gold standard and thus tying ourselves to a commodity which other nations can dump or horde and thus severely affect our economy.

Libertarians want marriage not to be of the State, but if they cannot get that then they want legalized gay marriage.

Libertarianism is the belief that borders are a bad thing, that we should welcome with open arms those who seek to enter our nation.

Libertarianism is the belief that abortion is of no consequence and is the right of the individual to choose.

Libertarians believe in the right of assisted suicide as well.

Libertarianism is as poisonous and dangerous to Conservatism as is Communism. Both lead to massive upheavals, misguided efforts, and tremendous loss of life if allowed to grow out of hand. This is why educating about the bad sides of both is so important.

Look the evils of Libertarians is easy to see, just look at all the deaths of WWII. Most of that would not have happened except a Libertarian decided that giving away other nations in exchange for peace was ok.

Libertarians cannot win a fair fight, this is why they try to confuse us, befuddle us, recruit via lies, attack our best candidates (Yes Ron Paul I am looking at your attacks in those elections for President you ran in!), try to co-opt anything successful to convert it to their gains (Efforts to kidnap websites including RedState, the co-opt of the Reform Party with Buchanan, and the Tea Party which they still try to say is their idea and their platform), and act despicable when they do not get their way.

The Libertarians are again, at best a fickle bunch of beings, voting for what they perceive is their best interests, not in the interests of the Republican Party. At worst they are the source of much infighting, much lost focus upon the Democrats, the weakening of our Party, and are responsible for keeping the Establishment in power.

Without the Libertarians we might just be a lot more stable, attractive, and capable in elections.

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Re: Libertarians our allies? I think not!

Meh, the Republican party is as much the enemy of the Right. It stands ever ready to throw in with the Democrats.  Look at Paul Ryan's 20-year balanced budget plan.  I mean, really? I saw Gramm-Rudman die after five years.  I still call Libertarians kooks but we will do more to destroy socialism through illegal revolt than controlled elections, and in that fight the Libertarians are an active vanguard.

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You're 99% correct....when describing extreme Libertarianism. Just with any political or ideological affiliation, extremism is dangerous and can be ignorant. But hey, keep characterizing such generalizations as absolute "truth" and maybe we can all start working together to bring the government back in check. Secular politics ftw!

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I'm a republican that believes in pro-choice.

I'm a republican and believe that gays should be allowed to marry and receive the benefits thereof.

I'm a republican and believe that hard working dedicated people should be properly payed, and rewarded, for their work.

I'm a republican and fully endorse the death penalty, of which the accused have been given a jury by their peers.

I'm a republican and I believe that big business should be accountable for their own greed, in which others suffer in due part to that greed.

I'm a republican and believe in total nuclear disarmenant.

I'm a republican and believe that compromise is not such a bad thing.

Now.  To most of you, you'd label me a democrat.  That is not the case.  There is no iron clad rule of law that states that my beliefs denote which party I belong to.

I'm a republican and I call Boehner, Bonehead Boehner.  Why?  Because he is a bonehead.  He's a politician that wheels and deals in the backrooms of the capital hill.  He attempted to run around capital hill like a snake, like most politicians do.  He thought wrongly that the Tea Party was just a grass offshoot of the Republican Party, and therefor it was a republican party.  More idiocy I heap on his name because of that wrongful thinking.  As we plainly saw during these last two years how the Tea Party, by itself has it's own hardcore beliefs and values, which make them more like the Klu Klux Klan and Neo Nazi's than a true Republican party.  If the Tea Party had it's ways it would be rivaling in laws that more closely resembled that of the Soviet Union right now, than an American republic.

So when I see you throwing the word "Libertarian" around, I think back on how the word "Liberal" was used as a epitaph on capital hill.

I'm a republican liberal.  I'm damn proud of that fact.  I have my own beliefs, i'm more open to accept change, that allows prosperity to an individual.  I don't believe however that one person's prosperity should impinge on of thousands of others though.  Laws not written by lawmakers on capital hill, I do protest against.  Because those laws are written by self interest business' who wish to drag us into a quagmire of poverty to millions, while serving the higher echolons of the fortune 500.

So, the Label of Libertarianism is what?  It's supposed to mean what to me?  Something bad?  Something that is wrong?  Something that is a group of wrong thinking individuals?

When I see Einstein writing down all these things of what Liberal means....I both laugh and cringe.  I laugh because all those commandments of Lberalism are not wholly correct.  But I also cringe, because there are fare to many people that believe it's all true.

I'm a republican liberal.  I'm proud of it.  Because I have many differeing beliefs that I have hammered into place that make my iron resolve of my being, possible.

When I hear the word Liberal, I think of revolutionaries.  Those that rocked the boat.  Those that did took action when action was needed.

Liberalism is not an evil.  It's just a state of mind.  And not all minds are created equal, in thought or belief.

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"As we plainly saw during these last two years how the Tea Party, by itself has it's own hardcore beliefs and values, which make them more like the Klu Klux Klan and Neo Nazi's than a true Republican party. "

That's to laugh from an abortion supporter.  Check the body count between your "moderation" and my "extremism".


"If the Tea Party had it's ways it would be rivaling in laws that more closely resembled that of the Soviet Union right now, than an American republic."

Right because the 48 states were one big happy commune?   Distributing photographs of boobs used to be a prison offense in every state.  Who are you kidding?  You only prove you don't know what went on anywhere before MTV

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1980-1981  MTV...

I was what?  12-13 years of age?  I don't think I cared about politics at that age.  Let me think for a moment....

...No, i'm pretty sure I didn't give a shit about politics at the age of 12 or 13.  It's safe to say, you probably didn't give the same amount of crap at that age about politics either.

Let me remember...african americans were beaten bludgeoned, garroted/hanged back in the 1950-60's and even into the 70's.  Same age...homosexuals were targeted.  Mostly by white southern christians, belonging to the Klu Klux Klan or white supmremacy groups.  Neo-nazi movement kinda ran in the 1980's to late 1990's.  And the laws they supported were basically disallowing the freedoms of other faiths, colors and creeds.

I think if you look at Boehner and how he said that he will not bring up a vote for a law that forbids discrimination against gays in the work place, says it all actually.

A bunch of white men, christian ethos, hard non-compromising stance to stop the progress of "Freedom for All".

Moderation and Extremism.  I did say I did Hammer my own belief system, which means I had to debate the issues, find what worked for me and what did not, and learn about the choices I stood by when it came to those beliefs.  It was a lot of homework, field work, and real world observations.

And we did have 50 states, before MTV came out, not 48.

I am republican, and I endorse the support of more boobage.  Unforunately, I do believe that there are far to many boobs running around in these forums.

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Libertarians don't care about homosexuals or abortion. Those are cultural issues which can be dealt with later; you won't be worried about them if America becomes a third world nation, so many preventing that should come first.

That's why you hate them. Because they're right, and you're wrong.

You trust private international banks, ie the Fed, over gold? I'm not suggesting gold is perfect or necessarily better than fiat, but this is a joke. You know nothing about the topic, this is all ego for you. You're so righteous and enlightened and "they're" not, even when you have no idea what you're talking about.

I could use some elaboration on how the "taxed enough already" tea party is an extremist group like the KKK. I'm pretty sure the KKK was about oppressing the hell out of blacks in America and keeping them disarmed and powerless. I fail to see the parallels between that and a group saying "yo. we're broke. i'm pretty sure we need to stop spending or bad things will happen." Please fill me in.

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