Topic: The end of the Republican Party

Obama is nailing the Republican Party to the wall. Every day a few nails more. Boehner loses political space everyday, while Obama is gaining ground. On 8/16 2013 the game will be over, moderate Republicans will vote with the Democrats for an end of shutdown and the budget crisis. The result will be a deeply divided Rep. party. The moderate 'traitors' who voted with the Dems., the insecure center and an alienated right wing. That right wing, also known as "Tea party", won't have another choice as to be left behind by the Rep. party or to leave the Rep. party by their own will. The conservative part of US-politics will break up into two parties. Perhaps the 'moderates', who voted with the Dems., may even form a new party too. Perhaps this will be the greatest achivement of the Obama presidency. A divided conservative electorate has little hope to achive the presidency.

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Actually Democrats will blink first, because the unpopular actions of OBOYO who cannot seem to understand that his gestopo style efforts are making even his own side hate him.

In fact the reopening of the Lincoln memorial is his first partial blink.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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If Obama surrenders not only he or his party will be damaged, the Presidency as a institution will be severly damaged. The whole political system in the US is on the brink now.

Even if the Dems "blink" they won't 100% surrender. There may be a 50/50 or 40/60 compromise, but will the Tea-party follow for a compromise? I think not, so the Reps will break up.

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There is room for compromise, we know Obama wont kill obamacare so we push harder on how bad the start is and force a delay for individuals for at least 6 months. With how bad the launch is pressure is mounting, and the more people see sticker shock the more scared Democrats are getting for the 2014 election cycle. If no delay then a lot of them are going to start announcing retirements at the end of their current term soon.

So very soon Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are going to have a tide of Democrats asking for the Republican offer of ayear delay. Clinton is the only one who wants that not to happen cause then that destroys her Presidential campaign before it fully starts.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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You're both dilusional. Both parties are crashing and burning. The movement for real change is happening and people are fed up with the government. Step 1 is removing incumbents from office. With the new blood coming in, term limits will be passed and hopefully we can avoid this entire problem in the future and finally recover from our ineptitude.

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Buy US Bonds! Pay no attention to our internal political turmoil! It matters not that more Americans believe UFOs are real than trust either party!  Buy US Bonds! At low low low rates! Bam bam bam! Sign on the line that is dotted!

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If the center does not function like it should, demand your rights back. This is happening in Europe atm. Germany and Britain demand for retrieval of rights from Brussels to the member nations. The EU already agreed, that it has in some policies failed the demands of the european citizens. Soon Germany will be ruled by a coalition representing 80% of the seats in the german parliament. This will be a stong mandate to get rights back from the EU. Perhaps the US should try the same. Don't fight in Washington. Rally the states and rebell!

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We need a party that understands the power of the House to control funding.

Democrats as a matter of ideology think we are morally obligated to create bigger centralized planning and so every future Congress has a duty to fund the healthcare bill passed in 2010.  We can never revisit it

Republicans are proving they don't want the House to use its power to pick and choose what to fund. And I think that is because the heads of GOP want to control the public, they want everything to come down to the presidential campaign which they also want wrapped up without holding primaries in most states.

If the American people recognize that they can defund the IRS, TSA, FBI, DEA, ICE, Obamacare, EPA, Air Force, whatever, by electing a House majority that won't vote to fund them, they will have a lot of power.  And the parties will lose a lot of power.  The parties do not want to try to coordinate 435 elections every 2 years.  They want to slather money on 33 Senate races every two years and 1 Presidential election every 4 years.  And they definitely don't want their precious Senators confronted with the voters' demands for defunding every two years.

What did Rove tell us 4 years ago?  He said when he was running elections for the party he was promising Senators that if they won and became incumbent, the Party would support their re-election no matter what.  So why should they see sense if they're guaranteed the money to get re-elected?  Why should they even care that the House wins based on promises?  Why should their cushy career be affected just because the voters got their panties in a wad about mandatory insurance premiums?  And they don't care.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Bimmelbammel wrote:

If the center does not function like it should, demand your rights back. This is happening in Europe atm. Germany and Britain demand for retrieval of rights from Brussels to the member nations. The EU already agreed, that it has in some policies failed the demands of the european citizens. Soon Germany will be ruled by a coalition representing 80% of the seats in the german parliament. This will be a stong mandate to get rights back from the EU. Perhaps the US should try the same. Don't fight in Washington. Rally the states and rebell!



We did that once, and now everybody thinks it was really about slavery. Oh how the victors write history. Long live the south!

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Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Sorry Einstein, but this article about history and voters behavior is nonsense. The examples mentioned there (1960s-1970s/early 80s) lack the demographic changes of the past decades. The mentioned figures about voters movement are GOP figures, so they are worth not very much. The GOP faces the same problem like (Western) Europe does today. The decline of the old system of the rule by "white people for democracy". Today many more people from many diffrent nations and cultures are in the political game and the old "white people for democracy" have no real answer to the new time. They shut their eyes and hope the storm will pass. In many parts of the world Germany is descirbed as "Island of the Blessed". Germany is sunbathing in its success and thinks it can keep the problems of the world outside. Germans like to ignore the problems out there, even if it meens that hundreds drown and thousands die by force. Southern Europe is on the brink? Starve until you are so thin that you look healthy again! Nasty pictures of people dying by toxic gas in Syria? Our media won't show them. The GOP is exactly like this in my eyes: Sunbathing in former glory and ignoring that time changes fast.

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Your liberal interpetation of "Whites only" is a lie, and a racist despicable one.

Martin Luther King, a REPUBLICAN, is turning in his grave. Sad thing is I expect you sincerely think we are white only, and that you cannot think of one black, one latino, one asian, or any other minority in my party, which makes your brainwashed racist attitude even worse.

Your entire post is drivel and incorrect. Wish, under pressure, to change it now?

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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As a matter of freedom of speech: No.

I never wrote "Whites ony", i wrote "white people for democracy".

Back to topic: The Republican party is now officaly divided after their collapse in the congress vote. The tea party voted as a body against the major party line. Ted Cruz is now the leader of the new offical third party in US-politics. When the compromise ends next year the struggle inside the former Rep. party will be much harder, with mid term elections ahead. The main question is: Will the Tea Party now form a new party or follow their path of destruction inside the Rep. party?

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It is a take over war and tbh i think we are winning.

Time to primary mcconnel.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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I have to agree with Bimmelbammel.  There really isn't much difference from the current crop of republicans compared to democrats.  If your conservative than the republican party may not be your best choice for representation in Washington.  I hope the current Rep party does get either taken over by the Tea Party or the Tea Party folks form a 3rd party.

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Einstein wrote:

Actually Democrats will blink first, because the unpopular actions of OBOYO who cannot seem to understand that his gestopo style efforts are making even his own side hate him.

In fact the reopening of the Lincoln memorial is his first partial blink.

Actually the republican party blinked first.

If I remember right, several Republican congressman broke through the barricade that was put up by local agencies, showing the memorial sites were shutdown.  In fact one congressman was arrested for something directly related to a site being cordoned off.  Hmmm.

Actually I kinda felt sad for Boehner.  I prefer to call him Bonehead Boehner, but now I just see him as a guy with a chair and a whip, trying to hold back a really pissed off Lion.  A lion which we have named the Tea party.  So far, the Tea party has been kept in check, but it's only a matter of time, before they pounce and devour the "Lion tamer."

I mean look at Boehner, seriously, just look at him.  He's even frustrated with the Tea Party.  He hates their guts.  He has to placate a group of people that do not use the word "compromise".

It is the end of the republican party as we know it.  But only if every single republican is replaced by a member of the Tea party.  But I believe fully the backlash is on the Tea Party.  The states are looking at the Tea party, as the party that will not compromise on health care.  They will not compromise on immigration.  They will not compromise on basic helping services to the american public.  To the Tea party, if you don't have a job, your lazy.  And if your lazy, you deserve nothing from the government.  So in hence, most of you, just are lazy, and deserve no food.  You don't deserve a roof over your head.  You do not deserve an education.  You don't deserve nothing.

In the eyes of the Tea Party, your all lazy. A single mother with three children is lazy, according to the Tea party.  She does not deserve help in feeding her family and paying her bills.  If she truelly wished to pay her bills, and help her family, she should be working at a better job.  Even though, she has no college education, and according to the businesses that pay well, you must have "2-4 years prior experience."  And even if you did have the experience, you would be "over qualified."  What a joke that is.  But that's big business, and that is The Tea Party for you.

A veteran who was shot in Desert Storm, who again was wounded in Afghanistan many years later, should be applauded for his heroism.  But he leaves the service, gets ran into by a hit-and-run driver...and all the sudden it's, you don't deserve health to be treated and taken care of through the health care system.  The insurer has dubbed your "accident" as a pre-existing condition, because where you were shot, also happens to be where a break occured when you were ran over in the hit-and-run case.  (that is no lie, that is an actual incident with an american soldier).  But that's the Tea Party.  Pre-existing conditions will not be covered pre-Health Care overall.

Yes.  It is the end of the republican party.

I'm republican.

But I sure as hell refuse to be part and parcel of the Republican TEA PARTY.

The republicans will get a resurgance of proper republican support, and it will be the Tea party that shall fall to ruin.

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The republican party ended a long time ago. It's been the Markets party for a while.

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Oh pfff.  Democrats and republicans have put forth legislation, written by business interests, and in some cases word for word.  Lawmakers have written any laws for a while.  They've had the laws written for them.

Lawmakers indeed.  Law maker.  Military intelligence.  It's an oxymoron. Law maker.

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This is a great and important discussion, but what effect does it have here?

We need a social network which allows us the world to perceive good discussions,. debates, truths, implications, and ideas for solutions that arise out of such discussions, one that presents our collective opinions by region, nation, by affiliation of any sort, and as individuals, by having ingrained into such an incorruptible up-voting and down-voting mechanism that gets the best discussions, ideas, etc. the most exposure to people in the world who are looking for such.  But unlike reddit, facebook, etc., this network should be something decentralized, free, foolproof, safe, completely public and yet also protect the privacy of those who wish to interact with it privately: you know the kind of social network everyone really wants but just can't seem to get because the free market system isn't free anymore, democracy isn't representative any more, and the interests of the an few are served against the interests of the many.

We need such in order to create a bank of ideas to solve the problems we need to solve in order for our species and all species on Earth to survive.

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Monsanto Corporation would agree with you, except they've already given the republican party specific worded legislation that would allow GMO (Genetically Modified Organisms) into our food supply, without having to identify it's a GMO.

The republican party knows that the American public would not go for such a thing, since the Organic Movement took a foot hold from east to west coast.  Unfortunately it's not a well known debate.  In fact it was strictly all hush hush.

Now there are many interest groups, that follow these sorts of things, and generally report this info to the media in all it's formats.  But the bad news is....people have to want to read the news.  The people have to have the ability to want to be informed. 

If the only thing, the people are going to do is watch, Lost, The Real House Wives of Capital Hill, and tweet and Blog a bunch of stupid crap...then they aren't willing to be informed.  How many people actually tune into the 6 o'clock news.  Or the 10 o'clock news.  Or Good Morning America at 8 am?  Most of the news is just local.  You barely see anything about legislation at all, if ever on the news.  When the political party says, "we're going have a television conference with the nation," it's just pre-determined words with no follow up questions to what's going on.

Like that GMO.  Did you know that Genetically Modified Organisms are already in our food supply.  Wheat that can grow in a California desert.  The bad news is, this particular wheat doesn't give as much sustenance.  Sure  we want to feed the world.  But we want to feed the world with proper NUTRITIONAL supplements.  What good is eating wheat, that the body can not process enough energy out of?  You'd have to eat two, or even three times as much wheat in order to gain the nutritional balance that was lost, because of the genetic modifications to the original plant.

How much support, do you think the republicans would get, if the people in mass were told, that their food was tampered with, to make them more hungry.  Oh, and since this wheat was created by certain Seed Companies, and said seed cost millions upon millions of dollars to create, the price of wheat will have to go up.  And the price of regular wheat would have to go up....because NOW, people will want the real deal.  And the real deal costs premiums.

Which senators, who owns shares in the Monsanto corporation, would benefit the most?

I don't think some of you even know what goes on behind body politic closed doors in Washington D.C.

I don't think any of you even have a clue, how back room deals work in this world.

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