Topic: Falseness on the retreat!

Wow what a week. So much to cover!

1) The United Nations IPCC is about to declare they were wrong about global temperatures. In fact they will say the average 'gain' was half that they said it was over the last 80 years. Since this covers the 20+ years of crying wolf as well...

2) The Sun refuses to cooperate with NASA, IPCC, NOA, and with others. We still are seeing a tremendous low in sunspot activity.

3) Obama is now all about Fracking! In truth the EPA has concluded they can find no risks associated with fracking. First the effort on ground water failed a few months ago, now their effort to show methane releases has failed. In fact Obama is about to push fracking via his natural gas push he is now doing. This push is quitely happening, but with the authorization of no less than 4 natural gas export facilities... and with more facilities probably getting approval soon...

4) Obamacare is also making Unions cry as the sweeping fiasco reduces their hours and benefits. It is telling that the damage is so severe that the Obama Admin denied a request by Unions over a multi-employer insurance system... that the next resort offered was for the Unions and Employers to drop insurance entirely so the workers could potentially get subsidies to help.


Liberals... just because you feel in your heart something must be good and critical does not make it true!

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“It is not a bible, it is a scientific review, an assessment of the literature. Frankly both sides are seriously confused on how science works - the critics of the IPCC and the environmentalists who credit the IPCC as if it is the gospel."
Scientist were constantly revising their research to account for new data, he said.
Despite the uncertainties and contradictions, the IPCC insists that it is more confident than ever – 95 per cent certain - that global warming is mainly human’s fault.
- Professor Myles Allen, the director of Oxford University's Climate Research Network

Good to see you falling into the don't understand science trap there flint!

Also the increase is said to be +0.12 degC not +0.13 degC, an 8.3% decrease in prediction.

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Professor of Environmental Studies Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. of the University of Colorado:
Pielke Jr.: Of course IPCC AR5 is a draft but the scientific literature it is reporting is available for all to see, and AR5 has it presented accurately
IPCC AR5 draft shows almost complete reversal from AR4 on trends in drought, hurricanes, floods and is now consistent with scientific literature
IPCC AR5 Draft: “we have high confidence that natural variability dominates any AGW influence in observed/historical TC records”
Draft IPCC Ch2 bottom line on extremes: “generally low confidence that there have been discernable changes over the observed record”
on lack of trends in extremes, exceptions are trends seen in temperature extremes and regional precipitation (but not floods)
On XTCs “unlike in AR4, it is assessed here..there is low confidence of regional changes in the intensity of extreme extratropical cyclones”
Bottom line IPCC trop cyclones same as SREX: “low confidence that any reported long term increases in tropical cyclone activity are robust”
More IPCC draft Ch2 on trop cyclones: “current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency”
IPCC on trop cyclones “AR4 assessment needs to be somewhat revised with respect to the confidence levels associated with observed trends”
IPCC draft Ch2 on drought: “The current assessment does not support the AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends in droughts”
More IPCC Ch2: “low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale”
More IPCC draft report: Ch2: “there is currently no clear and widespread evidence for observed changes in flooding” excpt timing of snowmelt

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http://www.climatedepot.com/2012/12/14/ … es-floods/

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And that search was with just one minutes effort kost. Honestly he is focused on certain aspects. There is a lot more out there of how deep their retreat really is.

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Flint: you show your ignorance more and more... it is only a "retreat" for those who are as fundamentalist as you. For actual scientists it is just new data that needs re-evaluating, but I know that you have no concept of that....

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also my quote was from a telegraph online article, which took me 10s to find with a google search.. the whole article shows the depth of ignorance on actual science and what scientists say and how it all works

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"Despite the uncertainties and contradictions, the IPCC insists that it is more confident than ever – 95 per cent certain - that global warming is mainly human’s fault."

Right, that's why the warming stopped while CO2 kept rising. Because rising CO2 causes global warming.
That's why governments were talking about taxing CO2 emissions, because it has no effect on global climate.
That's why swings in temperature were recorded in the middle ages in Europe, because mass industrialization determines our climate.

Funny how science has no room for observational data.

Remind me what's the scientific test for AGW? The absence of GW doesn't disprove it apparently.  What disproves this scientific theory?

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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I did say that fundamentalists on both side misunderstand science

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This isabout old data, not new.

they chqnged how much temperatures have risen over the last 80 years,they backtracled from their wild claims of significant and scary weqther changes, and have conceded dozens of things people like me have said all along.

seems i was always right.

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You can always find some scientists to skew interpretations of data or falsify the data themselves to suit their benefactors, namely big oil companies.

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Or Gaia worshippers skewing for ending humanity...

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"fundamentalists on both sides"??

Jim claims he can fart himself over the Eiffel Tower

do I have to find "middle ground"?  Is saying "no it is physically impossible for you to fart yourself over the Eiffel Tower" a form of "fundamentalism"?

I never claimed I had a contrary competing and superior model of global climate, i said nobody had one that worked.
I'm proved right. 
I am to be embarrassed for being right?

This is more about avoiding the social cost of admitting a mistake to the "wrong people" than it is practicing science, and has been for decades.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Einstein wrote:

Or Gaia worshippers skewing for ending humanity...

Which has the means and motive to fabricate conclusions, Einstein?  I mean, really.  Us a little common sense here, will you? 

I can't believe you are just a troll; even you must have some level of rationality and proper intellectual skepticism.

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Yell: people like flint are fundamentalist, because they don't understand what they are talking about. It would be like you preaching how Jim can't fart himself over the Eiffel tower by claiming that he can't because the Eiffel tower is 10,000 km tall. There is a middle ground where rational thought exists...

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Xeno has never been to California where millionaires dream of tearing down cities and meet each other to say so

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Nor in Oregon where Zero-Impact(ers) live. Some people have no clue.

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You_Fool wrote:

Yell: people like flint are fundamentalist, because they don't understand what they are talking about.


I want to understand your logic.   Flint for years has made the claim and quoted facts to support the claim GW is a hoax.  Today the people who supplied the data the fueled the hoax have basically said - "Sorry, Flint was right - the temperatures haven't risen.... but we are 95% positive that man is the cause!"...

And your logic is that Flint doesn't understand what he is talking about because he is blindly a fundamentalist?  Are you sure you still don't support this hoax because your the fundamentalist?

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I will love the recognition that I was correct when this canard finally ends.

I was against the claims before even my party was. And it is statistics which was my firstclue they were liars.



Take three days, July 3rd, July 4th, and July 5th, find 50 towns and cities recording the temperatures to as far back as the Revolutionary war. Check the spectrum of possible weather and temperature results. The variation is so severe that we are easiky within natural variation.

Since then so much evidence has come forth to ravage the lie it beggers the imagination!

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20 (edited by You_Fool 05-Oct-2013 23:58:52)

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BeoWolfe wrote:
You_Fool wrote:

Yell: people like flint are fundamentalist, because they don't understand what they are talking about.


I want to understand your logic.   Flint for years has made the claim and quoted facts to support the claim GW is a hoax.  Today the people who supplied the data the fueled the hoax have basically said - "Sorry, Flint was right - the temperatures haven't risen.... but we are 95% positive that man is the cause!"...

And your logic is that Flint doesn't understand what he is talking about because he is blindly a fundamentalist?  Are you sure you still don't support this hoax because your the fundamentalist?


My "logic" is that I read what Flint says and can tell he has no scientific backup for his statements. He could be rght, but then so is a broken clock twice a day... I have given up pointing out where Flint is wrong, or has no actual clue and is just parroting lines. He is against climate change because his ideology won't let him consider it as being true; not because he has looked at the data and considered the science and then come to a conclusion.

Another point is, have you read the report? It doesn't actually say that there was no temperature rise, just that it was less and different to what they had predicted. The model is wrong yes, but so was Newton's and possibly so is Einsteins theory of general realitivity, even though both work really well in 90-99% of all cases.

Also note that I am not saying that everyone who thinks that climate change is real is somehow perfect and not prone to the same silliness, I am aware that there are idiots on both "sides", normally the ones who use terms such as "sides".



I should also add, I haven't made up my mind on climate change. I know that the scientific theory is sound, but whether there are other more important factors or not is still undetermined

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"